An Update to Workload, Plus More Transparent Calculations

Just one say : Let us export code :triumph:

Many no code tools offers it why can’t bubble :anger:

One wise developer said - “you can’t wake up a person from sleep who is already pretending to be asleep”

This is exactly the situation is with bubble top management.


Just not what Bubble wants. just open sourced btw. And we are working on a fully open platform that lets you export or host it on your own servers. So build it and decide. Fully managed or do it yourself. Transparent model.

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To be pedant: noodle announced a plan to publish their code under open source licenses. No real code has been published yet. Going open source is different from telling you want to go open source at some point.


In case you missed recent reply from Josh about new pricing model and so on:

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Would be willing to pay a lot just for a one time export tbh, even if it was without the editor. Anything to move my project off of bubble since its either that or shut it down come 2024 when the pricing change becomes forced.

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I found the response from Josh very welcoming. He pointedly explained why the pricing changes were implemented, making it clearer the way Bubble is thinking and expecting to expand and improve.

Smart money was placed on bet to stay on legacy plan (or increase to higher legacy if expected need within next 18 month period) and wait 6 months to allow Bubble to prove they have the intentions and the wherewithal to follow through on promises made to add the necessary features to help build optimally.

He also made it very clear that they have the expectation that the costs associated with the pricing model will be re-evaluated with a larger data set.

The statement made me feel more confident in Bubble, although my plans are not changed which is giving another 5 months to see those types of features released before I start migrating my personal apps off Bubble if no material changes are made in that time frame.


I had something sassy written but i didn’t want to hurt the anyone else’s feelings.

@boston85719 It was a tough pill to swallow but it was kind of expected. Good on Josh for being more transparent.

It is similar to my approach when I was dating. Honest and Open to allow others to make the best decisions for themselves. Tell others exactly what you are doing and why so they know how to best proceed according to their own needs/desires and have their expectations set properly.


I’ve effectively halted all development in bubble and frozen any launch plans. The app is now dormant until I rebuild it in WeWeb & Xano. So far Xano has proven incredibly powerful as a backend provider, and I have yet to find a feature I miss from bubble since starting my dev work in WeWeb. Yes, Xano is a steep learning curve in some respects (e.g. DB joins don’t work the way you would expect, speaking from someone who worked as a DBA for 10+ years!) - but once you get your head around it, it absolutely demolishes bubble’s backend capabilities in every way possible.

WeWeb is perhaps even steeper as a learning curve as the UI is a lot more complicated to navigate, and also offers native code capabilities PLUS client side… but pay for an annual plan, and guess what? You can export as a native Vue.js package, then host yourself. Honestly, I am actually thankful for bubble’s pricing changes now, as it’s forced me to prepare for the next stage in development with far more suitable platforms for startups - plus learning a bit more about APIs and native JS - it’s win-win all round as far as I’m concerned. I guess this is why my app workload looks like this now in bubble:


Hey David,

I’m kinda in the same situation but starting with FlutterFlow (based in Flutter, and Firebase or Supabase as backend). I also gave an eye to Weweb, but decided to try with FlutterFlow for now.
So I’m curious, in case you know about the ones I mentioned, what makes you go for Weweb, do you think is the most potential tool for future plans?

PS: I also felt kind of upset to have this paralyzing moment with Bubble project, because other tools out there are probably not as easy and complete solutions, but I got excited after seeing there is a whole new world of likely better solutions for app scalability, like Weweb and FF.

Have you both tried Wappler? Tried flutterflow, this is great for mobile native apps. But now for web apps. Also, in flutterflow, you can’t make a whole website with it. Not recommended if you need web capabilities.

Tried wappler, so far, everything is hard to learn at first. But once you get it, there’s no turning back and the possibilities are endless. Also, you immediately get the code and can directly edit it if you need and still works in wappler.


Hi Shu,

I tried Wappler 1-2 years ago in the past Bubble pricing fever, but I found it low-code and since I have not coding skills, I found it too difficult to start, and not sure if I will fit its learning curve. Normally I don’t care if the learning curve is long, if documentation and forum is supporting, but I didn’t find much for no coders there.
This last month, after the new Bubble pricing crisis, I considered it again, but went for more no-code solutions, like Weweb and FF. Though I guess that for more coding-skilled people, Wappler can be amazing, because is just the interface helping building the app without limits and you are not tied to it.

Regarding FF, for now I’m only interested in web app indeed, I saw it was conceived as mobile language, but also I saw they are adapting to web development, so still hoping it won’t be a problem for web app. Though, also I must say FF is far more complex than Bubble, frontend itself and backend because you have to learn and integrate it with Firestore or Supabase. And for what I see, the flutter widgets that you can add, for people that know more about coding (not me XD), allows you to enhance for any feature you want.

The community/documentation is also very small in comparison with Bubble, but I’m trying to find something that gives confident and potential for future years. It means, I’m happy to invest a year learning/mastering a new software, if it provides a trustable and powerful environment for the future years coming. To avoid precisely what happened with Bubble, than after few years learning and building, we have to move away.

PS: I also tried Noodl, Drapcode, Bildr (very powerful too), and some others… but at end I was hesitating between Weweb and FF, I found FF pricing more scalable for doing multiple projects, but I don’t know if Weweb might be better or faster, that’s why maybe @davidthorpie can tell us something :wink:

Hi, @atlasproject !

I too am (probably like you) a no-coder and have probably spent half my life looking for a project like Bubble and am very frustrated with its latest “price innovations”. I’ve already started building my own project, which I couldn’t do in any of the 15+ no-code/low-code platforms I’ve explored. I’m on the verge of getting frustrated and am also starting to explore other platforms where there will be some certainty about tomorrow. You mentioned Drapcode in the post, I started looking into it too, contacting managers. It seemed more or less responsive to me and inclined specifically towards a no-code platform. There’s a lot of videos and documentation, but I’m wary of the fact that it’s not that popular, there’s an underdeveloped community (only up to 100 forum posts the last time I saw it). I also didn’t find any important sections in the documentation - workflow. The pages there are empty… Although visual builder seems to be good (on bootstrap) and database builder looks good too (what is missing in Bubble - there everything is very simplified, sometimes you need to structure it, but there is no possibility).

Also I’ve seen a platform like Noodl , but I haven’t studied it, I do not know how much comfort it is to work no-code functionality, until what point do I need to learn php, js and database queries? I also paid attention to FlutterFlow, but I also noticed that it is primarily designed for mobile applications, while I need a web application with complex architecture, processes (event action, on click/on page load/custom state events actions etc.) and design, lots of links and displaying data from different tables in the database on the single page. What can you tell me about these platforms, how much research have you done? Any advice would be appreciated!


For what it’s worth, folks, there is a recent almost 500-post thread about alternatives to Bubble. Yeah, I’m guessing that won’t stop this thread from turning into the same thing, but if you want to talk about alternatives to Bubble, it’s been done pretty thoroughly in the other thread.


This is my plan too. I’ll use Bubble on the legacy personal plan for a while for a personal AI workflow app - but once I’m ready to do something that needs scale, I’ll either use WeWeb & Xano (1st choice) or Flutterflow & Firebase.

Hi @alcompstudio :wink:

I only tried Drapcode and Noodl for a while. I tried 7-8 different platforms in a rush of 2-3 days, trying to not invest too much time and discard quickly. It means I have not gone deep into these two, so I only can say that for Drapcode I find the UI a little unexciting, as you say, not much documentation/community discouraged me. For Noodle, if it helps, I made this note “it seems more like low-code, the UI is very different. It would need to try deeper to see how complex it actually is”.
So for now, I’m trying with FF (also because the pricing), and keeping an eye on Weweb.

Also, after tracking the market and finding out that there are many platforms, I got the feeling that is too crowded and some of them will not survive, so I think I’d like to stick to something that feels like having a promising future.


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Thanks for your response, @atlasproject !

I, too, am wary of the fact that no-code platforms are proliferating very often and stopping at one is quite a difficult choice. But still, I haven’t met anyone like Bubble yet. It is very important for me to have exactly no-code functionality, especially in terms of complex queries and displaying data “in human language”. And also the output of multi-level repeating groups on the single page. So far, I’ve found it only in Bubble “in a single format”. In other platforms, alas, either only one thing is implemented (for example, only good page designer, or only backend with query builder, or only workflow builder). And the missing functionality - you can do only with your knowledge of PHP, MySQL, Java - but that’s not what I need. Bubble gives all the features to implement, but I’m afraid that with all the simplicity of my application for the average user, it will be very difficult in the load when displaying data (lots of queries, loops, workflow actions on the server side). So most likely I will not manage in monetary cost for my application. The cost of the service for the users of my portal will be incommensurate with the cost of maintaining the platform on Bubble, which is very sad… I will be at a big loss. But I still have hope, for now, that the developers will find some optimized option in pricing. Thanks for your response, again!


Wait did we get some sort of price change recently?

OK taking a breath and joking… I feel like beating a dead horse is beyond a description here. pretty much beating concrete that’s your own fists busted up… This sounds really brown nosy but I assure you if you know me I am not that person. I say what I think and everyones opinion matters here… To me… it seems like they are doing the best they can and the ones who are face forward talking with us all deserve a little credit. There is a larger picture to this which most of us really wouldn’t understand or who cares at this point its done its happening… now what are we going to do… I don’t know anything nor do I care. I care about my foot moving forward after the other and supporting my family, and I like Team Sports.

I hear the bubble community is a good group of people. If we steer just 2 percent of our own personally anger and frustrations choose to be positive and help your mates around you, 2 percent adds up well past 100 really fast. It’s team sports.

Ive read years of this forum trying to learn anything and everything possible and it seems like they do care more than the norm and are trying to improve performance of the system which was a big topic in the past… Call me crazy but that usually comes with a price increase. large projects, more hired devs (sr devs), (more senior tech support), and a lot of beer after working 17 hours 7 days a week costs money…

Help each other out pay it forward and if bubble falls apart… come to my way and the first rounds on me.

Wish everyone best of luck… be the 2%'rs

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Thanks for directing people to the correct resource.

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Im totally down for the 2% Im going to contact the bubble team for something that could 10x their business. I just need to know how to get in contact with one of their heads or leads. Government would back this application if they agree.