Bubble frontend WU calculator using HAR

[georgecollier]

@mghatiya

And what is the use of this screenshot of a feature that would be in beta when it comes to us and even that hasn’t even come yet? When this tool (and many other optimisations etc that I pointed out) come so late, shouldn’t we be given enough time to use these to improve apps to save WUs?

This project is actually delayed as of most recent monthly update:

@allenyang

Roadmap reprioritization: We’ve made some adjustments to our roadmap through the end of the year based on team capacity:

• We’re pausing the project for a new logs tab at the workflow run level in favor of more work on the reliability and performance of our core database infrastructure.

Maybe now’s a good time for me to share this: Free workload optimisation | Not Quite Unicorns

[fede.bubble]

@mghatiya

And what is the use of this screenshot of a feature that would be in beta when it comes to us and even that hasn’t even come yet?

my bad mghatiya, I posted before re-checking the roadmap and like George pointed out, in the monthly community update it was actually announced it was getting paused

[eucompro.com.br]

Where is HAR button?

[senecadatabase]

That’s a good thing you have there George…

imagine being new and seeing 0.0001 for this and 0.05 for that, and 0.03 for this if it’s not that and if it is than it’s 0.002 for this and that…

what the hell is all that?

Who that is new (that cares) can calculate all that?

I’ve never seen anything like it.

Hopefully, I can figure it all out and get there.

Myself, I think it’s a little crazy.

But, apparently, someone at the top of Bubble sees things differently.

I hope things work out.

[mghatiya]

@fede.bubble

in the monthly community update it was actually announced it was getting paused

Surely, without pausing the change of pricing, right?

Because Bubble feels WU optimisations, tools to analyse, debugging etc. are not connected to price change at all. And the day they add all those tools, all the apps must get optimised automatically.

And now once the new pricing kicks in, Bubble will have all the incentive to keep this project paused even longer, as WU optimisations means less revenue!

[jiangyaokais]

[jiangyaokais]

So out of curiosity, I tested bubble’s backend perf by updating 10000 rows. Jesus.
https://x.com/YaokaiJiang/status/1831480841010344016
78 seconds, 1.5 USD… (well the 1.5 USD shouldn’t really be a surprise to me I guess, as the 0.3USD/1000WU was listed)

[2shovelscapital]

What is the migration you speak of

[jiangyaokais]

Old projects will be migrated to the current billing system by oct 1st.
If you started your projects after the introduction of the current billing system then this shouldn’t affect you.

[boston85719]

@chris.williamson1996

It’s like they are beta testing everything from reliability to billing on a live production environment and expecting people to just accept a half shipped product but be billed as if it’s a completed tool.

It’s like Tesla

[eucompro.com.br]

We in Brazil don’t have X anymore

[jonah.deleseleuc]

Comparing it to Netlify’s pricing, they offer 100GB of bandwith on the Starter FREE tier. Now I understand that netlify and bubble are two very different things and that bubble needs to make a profit on the tool that they provide. However, they are both technically re-packagers of AWS and offer a simplified development environment. Bubble should cost more, definitely. However, I find it hard to take Bubble as a replacement to very much at that pricing. To me it seems suitable for MVP’s and prototypes, but not much more.

[jiangyaokais]

Updating 10000 rows, Bubble.io Vs Momen.app

[jiangyaokais]

Netlify is just a frontend hosting platform.
Bubble is dev + hosting, so yeah, not quite apples to apples.
Though the most expensive thing in bubble is not bandwidth (bandwidth is always cheap), it is backend workflows, which netlify does not even address.

[jonah.deleseleuc]

It does address that, netlify isn’t just frontend - it’s both. You can create an entire nextjs app and even use serverless functions (endpoints). You must connect your own database though

[jiangyaokais]

I didn’t know netlify has serverless functions. Thanks!
In my mind though backend is mostly about shared data handling, essentially some kind of database. Without that, it is not possible to distribute shared state. (since there isn’t any).
Wonder at what point netlify will add that capability.

[jonah.deleseleuc]

Netlify, like most providers, simply allow you to chose your own database and manage it via REST

[randomanon]

Correct:

@randomanon

I think “workload units” create perverse incentives.

Paying for “workload units” is exactly why the government is so bad at space travel compared to SpaceX. They pay for contracts and “work done” rather than only paying for the final product/launches. This incentivizes contractors to charge high prices and create delays, leading to bloated budgets and stalled progress.

There’s no point in Bubble optimizing its own backend if people will just pay for it, so it’s just going to regress over time.

Show raw stats because at least that’s something that the Bubble team can actually optimize for. This middle layer of abstraction is counterproductive for both Bubble’s engineers and its users.

The best posts about WU are from an actual statistician who describes why the statistical methods they’re using are flawed.

This guy: Summary - aaronsheldon - Bubble Forum