Reasonable Alternatives to Bubble

Of course. Did you think that behind the editor there was a dedicated developer hand-coding everything?

there is a lot of options between “your own server” (cheaper) and “managed platform” (more expensive). There are a lot of tools/companies providing a hybrid approach: automatically deploy your app with 0 downtime on AWS managing the right configuration needed with little to no trouble for you. You pay the service but you are completely free to migrate if you need.
There is plenty of services to protect you from ddos: cloudflare is a famous one (the one that bubble uses), aws has its own. If you are a big scale and get an heavy ddos they are the one that will protect you, in the same way they protected bubble.

Agree, and that is the reason why everybody here was standing all the quirks, limitations and absurd workarounds unique to this platform. But once you increase the price 10x you swing the balance.

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My understanding is that xano does not support realtime updates, so either you poll requests to see if there is new data or youo use an external service for handling realtime data. I think in the community you can find examples using ably.

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I’ve been giving FlutterFlow a go and Idk if I’m being stupid but I can’t seem to get the responsiveness working. Seen other apps built on FF and they are responsive so not sure what I’m doing wrong. Anyone know?

Probably a question better asked and answered on FF forum. But also, give YouTube a go, there’s a gazillion videos on responsiveness in FF on there from what I remember.

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for employees usually it’s because there is better welfare and the employer pays much more taxes on them, at least for western europe.

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Cost of living is a big factor. It costs a lot more to live in New Jersey than in many parts of Europe.

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Would love to follow along! I am also heavily considering Flutterflow + Firebase re-write for our application.

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Para quem for do Brasil, esta rolando um opencode ao Vivo de FlutterFlow, OpenCoding #FlutterFlow - Ao vivo / Domingo - YouTube

This is not true, Check this video
Data in the Bubble page gets updated in real time.

Its the security aspect which I am wondering with tools like Wappler - I don’t know what I don’t know!

For deployment & broader devops - something like Heroku can abstract away a lot of the complexity. More expensive than say AWS & Digital Ocean but you can sleep at night knowing that everything from monitoring and restarts can be easily managed.

But security - thats one area, where I am the most curious atm.

it is true as stated by the xano support in replies to similar questions in their community:

if the plugin is showing realtime data probaly is either because is polling requests or because is using an external service.

If xano added support for realtime functionality in the last 2 months that would be great :grinning:

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Passei pelo Adalo, Flutter Flow e parei no bubble, pelo nível de aprendizado.
Faltando pouco para lançar meu APP, recebi essa bomba.

Será que vou ter de perder mais tempo iniciando tudo novamente em outra plataforma?:disappointed:
Não temos como controlar o acesso dos clientes.

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I’m currently leaning towards Wappler, I really recommend this video to see the basic interface: Quick Tour of the Wappler Interface - YouTube

So apparently you can build Mobile and Web at the same time, fully dynamic!
This would save me so much time, as I always had a separate mobile version in Bubble and it was such a headache.

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Mobile should always be built independently regardless of platform you’re building on for most apps. Dynamic is nice for build speed but rarely for conversions. Unless it’s a true MVP and you’re product market testing to gauge scalability/interest. 60-80%+ of traffic depending on niche comes from mobile, you need to have the most optimized mobile experience possible.

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My stack currently is

Bubble + Xano + Make.com

I became a Xano partner last year (hit me up if you want a discount :grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes:) and when speaking with their team, WeWeb users were a large segment of their userbase, so I would imagine we will see strong integration features shipped between those two apps for the foreseeable future.

I identify as a no-coder with some basic understanding of coding principles, and I won’t sugarcoat it, Xano will take some time to learn and take some getting used to, but their documentation is pretty decent and I’ve learn most of what I know from their Youtube videos.

It’s been pretty speedy in terms of running complex queries and writing/reading from the database, so I think Xano will remain my preferred DB of choice so long as they don’t go crazy with pricing.

WeWeb seems appealing and I like they are focused on front-end. I don’t mind utilizing two different softwares if I’m getting the best of both worlds.

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I’ve been trying out FlutterFlow, Wappler and Noodl.

The code Noodl outputs is unusable outside their platform :frowning: I can’t lock myself in again

I tried deploying it to a friends server and it worked without any problem!

What I mean is that you can’t give the output code to a developer to work on it because they minimize it (it’s some jargon meaning that they make it non human-readable on purpose) , you also can’t push an edited version back into Noodl.

In Wappler you can even take the code out, ask a developer to further develop it and then you can continue working on it in Wappler. At least this is what I understand.

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