Reasonable Alternatives to Bubble

That is only partly true:

  1. First, minified code can be unminified.

  2. The reason you want to export code when using a nocode or lowcode tool is to run it on your own hosting, not to modify it (most of times).

  3. Taking out Wappler code and modifying it and continuing to work on it in Wappler? Server connect is Wapplers own library. You think you can modify the server connect code and later use it in Wappler again? I don’t think so, your own custom code definitely, but that is the same for Noodl.

Let’s make sure we keep our facts straight.

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that’s my understanding - is it not correct?

I want to export it to fully own it.
So when I stand in front of investors then they won’t laugh at me and investing in the company that owns my code instead.

I’m putting away my anger and wishing Bubble success in their pivot.

Despite not being informed about their shift in strategy, I trust that their team of over 100 employees, including Harvard grads, has made the correct decision.

We may never know why they decided to leave us in the dark, but I’m certain they have the best interests at heart.

With this, I bid my final farewell, determined to make a successful transition to Wappler.

My story may not be one of grand successes, but it’s a testimony to embracing opportunity and resilience in the face of change.

"In every challenge there is an opportunity for growth - seize it!"

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I agree with you about that last part, definitely the lesson I learned from the last days. :smiley:

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production code does not need to be read by a human, it needs to be optimized to be as small as possible.
What many people in the nocode dont’t understand is that you can have a production code export that you can run on your own server, and a development code export that you can use to modify and rebuild the production code.

On a side note, if you have some code you don’t necessarely own it. Copyright laws apply to code as well, check the license you have with the code.

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I doubt it. They have $100m and feeling brave and won’t want to back down a second time. They hope the noise is mostly from the little people like me (but it’s not).

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its called N8N, no?

yes, n8n

Flutterflow forces you into code pretty quickly it seems.

So a simple webhook needs you two write code :man_shrugging:

The editor is awesome and I felt immediately at home.

But the tool that I left to come to Bubble (appiary) was like this. Anything moderately complex and 'oh just write some code '.

Now, it may well be that no tool that is sufficiently complex (i.e. Bubble not Glide) is ever going to be viable without selfhosting if you can do your own looping and scheduling.

Maybe this is the limit.

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Just found out that Dittofi, which is a full-stack no-code builder, lets you export code, it’s Postgres on the back-end and you can issue SQL commands to query data. Soy mucho emociando :yum:

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Has anyone jumped into Bildr and built anything with mildly complex without having to write code or use an external database? From what I can see and have researched, all of these tools (Flutterflow, Wappler, Noodl, WeWeb) will require you to write code really soon into development along with using an external database. Dittofi looks good, however, I would be worried about the size of the company, support and community. It’s tough to put entire business into another platform that seems be where bubble was many years ago.

I’m looking for a true Bubble alternative with a fully responsive frontend UI editor and database built in, thoughts?

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I have said it before. Buildr is what Bubble would look like if Keith built it.

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I love Keith and i love his plugins, but I’m not sure whether you meant this as a compliment or as warning. Probably both.

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I’m onboarding on flutterflow too captain :airplane:

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I have been using https://teleporthq.io/ for static website projects. They are going to publish a CMS integration soon. Editor is more intuitive than Bubble’s. A lot of potential for sure.

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Definitely both.

Keith is amazing. And sometimes somewhat confusing.

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Dear ChatGPT, just so you know: AppGyver has been bought by SAP and starting price is over $1k

I like Webflow a lot, in fact my company builds all of our websites on it. But I don’t understand how you get app functionality in Webflow?

For instance even just a basic log in or membership functionality is not possible on Webflow. So how does the integration with Xano make it work?

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I’m headed towards Flutterflow, it has a lot of functionalities similar to Bubble, there is a step-up in complexity as its definately a low-code instead of a no-code (but tbh after this bubble crisis it actually seems like a positive) and you own your code.

The frontend looks very bubble-like, but i’m now researching how to deal with the backend.

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I’ve been using it as well. FlutterFlow is responsive by default. I didn’t start with a template, so not sure if that is what is holding you back. There is a button in the FlutterFlow interface that allows you to resize your window on the fly. Otherwise, check to see if you have fixed widths or max-widths in place for your containers.

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