Why Pay for a Bug We Didn't Cause? This post contains a high amount of WU

randomanon · 2024-10-21T13:48:15.830Z

GH5T:

A lot of “Bubble sites” look and feel the same

What do the CSS stylings of sites have to do with plugins?

GH5T:

The plugin market is what makes Bubble, Bubble.

No I’m pretty sure it’s the fact that you have a front end, back end, and database in one platform. I’m not advocating for removing plugins, apps should be extensible with custom JS. I’m just against it being a two-sided marketplace.

GH5T:

the ecosystem

It’s slop. Sorry. They should have a dedicated plugin team that just makes plugins and capture 100% of that value. Just like skins in live service games.

GH5T · 2024-10-21T16:23:03.836Z

Not sure why you’re here since you’re so full of complaints.

randomanon · 2024-10-22T03:12:16.063Z

Glad to see you have no response to my actual points, but thanks for noticing me!

I’m enthusiastic about all of my opinions, even when it comes to praise:

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GH5T · 2024-10-22T14:48:41.768Z

randomanon:

What do the CSS stylings of sites have to do with plugins?

I was referring to the styling in general, not just "CSS Styling".

A lot of Bubble sites have styling that is internal, and you cannot get rid of it. Not only that, but the framework itself has some less sought after “animation effects” that no matter what, you can always see on a Bubble site. Try changing the width of a site that is built in React or basically any other framework. You will notice the difference (and it’s not very subtle). Use browser tools.

The next defect is page load time. There is usually a 3-8 second wait time loading a fresh Bubble page.

randomanon:

No, I’m pretty sure it’s the fact that you have a front end, back end, and database in one platform.

There are many platforms that do this. The reason I’m still here is because of the marketplace and developing functionality that bridges the gap of Bubble apps and the modern web. Being able to build plugins for the ecosystem allows this.

If we were to remove community plugins, I can guarantee more than half of the users would leave, including me. It provides me with a sense of sustainability, and a purpose in this environment.

randomanon:

It’s slop. Sorry. They should have a dedicated plugin team that just makes plugins and capture 100% of that value.

Like any system, there will always be improvements to make. Can you make one better? Calling it “slop” is unprofessional and in my opinion not valuable feedback to the team.

You could be much more productive if you give your input in a less passive-aggressive manner.

Hope that answers your “points”.

randomanon · 2024-10-24T12:35:44.835Z

GH5T:

A lot of Bubble sites have styling that is internal, and you cannot get rid of it. Not only that, but the framework itself has some less sought after “animation effects” that no matter what, you can always see on a Bubble site. Try changing the width of a site that is built in React or basically any other framework. You will notice the difference (and it’s not very subtle). Use browser tools.

The animations for “slide” and “fade out” for collapsing are terrible, agreed. Bubble should fix this. However, 99.999999% of plugins don’t address this.

GH5T:

The next defect is page load time. There is usually a 3-8 second wait time loading a fresh Bubble page.

No dude, the reason why your load times are so high are because you have so many plugins installed. My landing page loads in 1.5s and my SPA loads in about 2.5.

GH5T:

There are many platforms that do this.

No, not really. Weweb is frontend only, Xano is backend only. There is one open source programs like Noodl (sp?) I think but none offer the seamless frontend/backend/db experience of Bubble. What are these “many platforms?”

GH5T:

If we were to remove community plugins, I can guarantee more than half of the users would leave, including me. It provides me with a sense of sustainability, and a purpose in this environment.

Bubble should take them over, like how Zeroqode took over a bunch of individual plugins. Not advocating for removing them.

I see you have your own plugins that you sell, so there’s a huge conflict of interest here with anything you’re saying.

GH5T:

Like any system, there will always be improvements to make.

Sometimes it’s about being misguided in your roadmap rather than a matter of refinement. It’s not the magnitude, the entire direction is off.

GH5T:

Can you make one better?

Bizarre question. That’s the entire crux of capitalism, people make things other people can’t. Being a consumer doesn’t mean I’m not right, in fact the opposite.

georgecollier · 2024-10-24T12:37:46.913Z

randomanon:

like how Zeroqode took over a bunch of individual plugins.

That’s going well

randomanon · 2024-10-24T12:40:06.210Z

Would go well if it was Bubble devs instead of sweatshop dudes, but you already knew that.

asked111 · 2024-10-24T16:52:31.411Z

Zeroqode have been amazing to me just saying.

boston85719 · 2024-10-25T03:44:17.783Z

Stripe plugin by bubble. Rich text editor by bubble. File uploader by bubble. Air Date/Time picker bubble.

Those are a few examples of why plugin development should not be in the hands of Bubble.

georgecollier · 2024-10-25T07:13:13.165Z

boston85719:

Air Date/Time picker bubble.

This is Zeroqode (and is better than default Bubble element)

boston85719 · 2024-10-25T07:29:21.104Z

Yes, I was referring to the one by Bubble, just had a brain fart by adding Air in front of it, as I have not used the Bubble date/time picker in the last 6 years and only use the Air Date Time/Picker Zeroqode recently purchased.

johnny · 2024-10-25T16:29:13.234Z

I randomly came across the same issue – it shows as a “Deleted Search” consuming WUs

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and then Bubble support said it was coming from the Hero Icons plugin… and to delete the plugin

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Edit: more info provided by support

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To me, it seems like Bubble needs better logging to be able to better identify these edge cases – wasn’t an issue for me in the past

dorilama · 2024-10-25T21:24:01.853Z

it is so strange. it would be interesting to know what is triggering this behaviour. one more thing to know when building a plugin.
would you mid sharing some info about how the repeating group and plugin was set up? can you actually see the extra api calls for data in the network panel of the dev tools?
a page with a hidden rg with the heroicon inside does not trigger network requests until the rg is showed, there must be something else.

johnny · 2024-10-25T21:35:34.218Z

I would share, but i have no clue which RG this is from… i’m waiting to support.

I had no idea it was even this plugin — it only says “Deleted search” in WUs

Kayami · 2024-10-26T13:59:00.305Z

thanks @johnny i’ll contact support as well about this to try and get more information or even hopefully figure it out together

i don’t understand how this would be specific to the heroicons plugin and not just all the custom element plugins inside of repeating groups

so i can only imagine that there will be multiple element plugins that cause this bug to happen, but it makes sense that people notice it with heroicons because it’s common to have icons in repeating groups

johnny · 2024-10-26T19:58:08.864Z

Yeah, I agree. It’s kind of odd that it only points to your plugin The regular Bubble Icons element doesn’t seem to be affected…

johnny · 2024-10-29T16:03:14.526Z

Update from support/the tldr;

They basically said don’t use the Hero Icons plugin and use the native Bubble icons element to avoid this excess WU usage ._.

brenton.strine · 2024-10-29T21:15:28.619Z

Why pay for a bug we didn’t cause?

The Hero Icon Plugin was interfering with the RG’s condition.

Here’s the thing… you did cause this bug by installing a third-party plugin and not detecting or diagnosing a problem in how it worked. Bubble is a programming language. Programming languages are complex and can behave unexpectedly. The burden is on the developer to build an app that works, and to verify that third-party tools don’t cause problems.

If Bubble had somehow fundamentally broken the way Bubble operates, that would be an entirely different issue: you have a right to expect the system to behave consistently.

boston85719 · 2024-10-30T03:50:04.589Z

brenton.strine:

If Bubble had somehow fundamentally broken the way Bubble operates, that would be an entirely different issue:

I’d argue changing the pricing structure to WUs has fundamentally broken the way Bubble operates.

dorilama · 2024-10-30T07:40:53.701Z

thanks for the update.

since a lot of successful apps on bubble do use plugins (public or private) it’s surprising not to have a proper postmortem about this bug that could affect any other plugin.