Bubble vs Builder.ai

I believe in Bubble but with the recent collapse of Builder.ai a few questions have come to mind. Mostly, what if this happens to Bubble? What happens to our apps? Are there any safeguards to protect the users from losing their work?

Builder.ai users not only lost their apps, but also their companies, and more. BOOM! Everything gone, without a warning.

To safeguard from this scenario, it would be great if Bubble would add the “download your code” feature. Also, it would be great if Bubble added some type of user agreement saying they would alert users of a pending collapse and would help migrate our work so we could salvage what has been created.

Cheers
Bubble Lover

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I’m pretty sure that Builder.ai was an outsourcing agency thinly veiled as a tech startup.

Bubble has said they’ll open source their code if they ceased operations.

Bubble won’t because they have much more important things to think about. I’m working on it though!

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Totally valid concern, especially after what happened with Builder.ai. The idea of a “download your code” feature or even a standardized export/migration path would offer real peace of mind. Even with Bubble’s statement about open-sourcing if they ever shut down, having something more tangible in place ahead of time would definitely help users feel more secure. Curious to see what georgecollier comes up with.

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This sounds more reassuring than it really is imo

You can’t just open source something and expect it to run on your own servers. It takes a lot of work to make software self-hostable (especially stuff like the Bubble editor). That could take months, and depending on how much technical debt Bubble has, it might not even be possible

Even if it did become self-hostable, most Bubble users wouldn’t be able to run it. Most don’t have the technical skills needed to set it up or keep it running

If Bubble shuts down, there probably won’t be anyone left to do the work

It’s worth keeping in mind that if Bubble goes away, your apps probably will too

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Yeah, no doubt. But the business opportunity of making it self-hostable will be huge, so someone or some agency will no doubt create the tooling to do that.

Of course, we hope that won’t happen…

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Not saying Bubble will never close down, but what was happening in the background with Builder.ai was shady AF in the first place.

False advertising: Saying their AI made your apps when what they did was have project managers outsource the work.

Financial fraud: They falsified sales and revenue.

Bad financial management: Took large credit loans and then defaulted.

They had over half a billion in investments as a unicorn. Bubble bootstrapped for years before VCs came into the picture.

As someone who bootstrapped for 4 years (I’m bootstrapping new projects too) before securing my first grant, I appreciate the grind Bubble went through and have confidence in it’s future. Doesn’t mean i haven’t invested in contingencies though.

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Huge opportunity…will make it so people build app on bubble for free (or cheap with just 2-3 months subscription payments), then export code, and do whatever else is needed to be done to host etc. This will hurt Bubble dramatically if Bubble is not doing it.

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Nah not at all… it will only be useable by very large apps / enterprises, and not something you use unless you have to

Don’t worry about it guys, I’m sure someone will create an export tool that will allow you to get up and running on Next.js with minimal configuration if that ever happens.

Absolutely, @CodePerson—those are valid concerns!

While we wait for the next tool or the ability to convert apps or self-host a Bubble instance, teams should regularly back up their data and export app files to ensure nothing is lost.

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That statement is not future proof though, as it will entirely depend on the company cap table at that very moment.