New Agency Tiers - Thoughts?

Webflow even give 20% subscription commission to Experts I think?

I believe there are some kind of affiliate schemes with Bubble but I’ve never had any success getting information on them. I’ve just seen clues that some bigger agencies have access to them. Strange.

Yet… I wouldn’t put it passed them with some of the crazy moves they’ve pulled recently & charging people to host template/plugin demos for their platform :sweat_smile:

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I saw the email, laughed, then closed it.

The real question is how will Bubble market these tiers to potential clients? Gold = good, experienced, and expensive? Bronze = bad, inexperienced and cheap?

Bubble is 1 strong front end competitor away from losing quality devs imo (if they haven’t gone already).

In the meantime, I guess we hack the system as best we can. Only work with client’s who don’t already have an app. Recommend your clients to use Bubble’s backend (instead of a better solution) so they can run up WUs and pay for a more expensive plan. Don’t prioritize app optimization so they are forced to pay for a more expensive plan. I feel dirty just typing this…

Prioritizing money > quality is a short term solution.

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Bubbles affiliate program is $15 one time for a referral. It’s bold of them to say the least.

You can access it under your bubble account settings and get your link.

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there was a post by Robert Ayala in the developer summit saying that gold, silver, bronze is a poor way to name the different tiers of agencies.
Better would be L, M, S. (or Enterprise, Team, Solo)
Bronze denotes a lower quality than Small.

If 2-5 people have an agency it will be hard to compete with a Gold agency as all potential leads will think Gold is better.
This is not the case for L, M, S

I would argue smaller agencies have more incentive to deliver for their clients and produce higher quality work anyway.

Please consider this Bubble.

edit: here an email you can write to bubble re your concerns
https://twitter.com/bubble/status/1673756718176542724

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This is a massive over-step outside Bubble’s value proposition to agencies. Now I’m paying for the opportunity to be judged by algorithm? No thanks. What other platform does this?
Bubble used to be something that made things easier. Lately it just keeps getting harder.

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Agreed.

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If they were to switch to a size rating, I guess it wouldn’t fit with the system of measurement they’ve just launched. Although I agree about the way clients will interpret Gold/Silver/Bronze.

I personally think they’re along the right lines (with certification/ratings), but the way they’ve handled value/revenue skews it towards size of agency, which isn’t necessarily a sign of quality.

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Exactly my worries. I have worked in 2 enterprise apps (paying the hightest Bubble plan) for the last 12 months. That would easily made me a Silver tier, but since I didn’t ‘created’ the app I’m sitting in Bronze tier.

@emmanuel @josh @allenyang

This needs to be reviewed!!

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I agree with the sentiment on this thread. Calling us Gold, Silver, Bronze is not appropriate since it reflects the agency’s revenue impact on bubble, and does not speak to creativity, competence, quality, size of team, etc.

Sends the wrong message about Bronze agencies (I became one yesterday) who may be working on many apps that they didn’t create in the first place.

Much more thoughtful to categorize as Solo, Team and Enterprise, or something along those lines to give clients an indication of the size of the Agency.

How about publishing these two stats: (1) # of seats under the Agency’s plan and (2) the number of paid apps that the agency has in their account, whether created by them or not.

I think these 2 metrics are more meaningful to a client than Gold, Silver and Bronze.

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Hi all,

I hope you had the chance to attend the Bubble Developer Summit and hear all about the awesome new investments we’re making for developers and agencies!

We’re really excited about the launch of our agency tiers, profiles, and developer certification as the next step in enabling more people to build on Bubble. As Josh and Emmanuel both mentioned, we are working to empower agencies and developers of all sizes to build on Bubble and these are just the first investments (of many!) to help you attract and win more business.

We also wanted to take a moment to express our gratitude for your feedback on the new agency tiers. We are documenting the feedback and discussing internally. We appreciate your partnership with us on this - especially as we launch and develop this new program.

To provide more context to both users and agencies on the tiers moving forward, we’re planning to launch external-facing documentation, so stay tuned for more details.

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I have no skin in the agency game but i agree Bronze Silver Gold is such a horrible way to categorise Bubble agencies.

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Agree with (2) as it rewards ongoing app developers/maintenance. Any agency that takes over an app developed by another agency should be getting the recognition(or ‘revenue’ earned) subsequently. However, revenue would make more sense than number of apps as agencies would game the system by launching many low value apps

I think (1) shouldn’t be measured though as it just rewards overbuying of seats, which was one of the original issues of the ‘team size’ metric.

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None of it really matters much. Bubble AI will be replacing all developers as soon as they launch it. Start RE-tooling your skill sets.

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What would you recommend?

:rofl: one can only hope!

Freal though I don’t see ai building out complex business logic without a human to help clean things up. Not yet anyhow but :man_shrugging: I don’t have any insider info like @boston85719 :laughing:

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I would be very interested to hear from Bubble leaders what they anticipate is the way in which the AI system they will be developing would be used by a professional developer…it might be simply ‘clean up’ and ‘add in’ for more complex logic.

I personally have no more information than anybody else who was in the developer summit.

My suggestion is based on my personal position. I am from USA, and have had a keen interest in the human brain and human behavior for a long time. I would enter into the field as a psychologist. It is a field in which only 25% of professionals are male, and the clients, I’d imagine would be more interested to have a psychologist who is of the same gender.

Additionally, AI will never replace a psychologist.

On top of that, the next new national killers in America as reported by the CDC are mental health related. The US surgeon general says Widespread loneliness in the U.S. poses health risks as deadly as smoking up to 15 cigarettes daily and that it has been declared as the latest public health epidemic.

This means there will be a few decades where mental health concerns are top of mind in USA, and likely UK as well. This will lead a lot of people to look toward mental health professionals like psychologists for help.

Ultimately, what somebody might do to re-tool themselves is a personal choice and would have a lot of different considerations to make a rational decision. Most important part of that decision would be to find jobs that will not be replaced by AI. The big banks have stated they expect AI to replace up to 300 million jobs. Find jobs AI can not do and are always or will be in high demand…trades such as plumber or electrician are jobs that AI will not replace.

OR, make your next Bubble app into a sustainable business.

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Thanks for the detailed reply. Making my next app into a sustainable business is sure top of the list for me…starting out could be really hard…but worth it.

Gracias

note taking for psychologists. noted

mega coincidence but while typing noticed i am actually building something like that

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Couldn’t agree more on this statement. If you’re a solo founder who is bootstrapping your project you DO NOT want to work with a “GoLd AgEnCy” because they will overcharge for what you need. I’m :pray: Bubble either:

  1. Figures out a better naming convention for Gold, Silver, Bronze
  2. Figures out better metrics around counting how much money an Agency brings to the ecosystem other than “Build the app from scratch and transfer it”

p.s. @emmanuel mentioned in the summit yesterday that “Gold, silver, bronze is a normal naming convention for a lot of other companies”. Is he thinking of pricing tiers of subscriptions? :laughing:

p.s.s. Bubble has already been categorizing agencies into these 3 tiers for years for internal reasons only, and now decided to make it a public metric.

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