@NigelG would you please post your pie? I’ve asked several times now. “Share your pie?”
I don’t really know the difference between “posting the pie” and “sharing the pie”. Though I’m beginning to see the difference.
Anyway, I’m really ready for the pie. Shove it in my face please.
(Do I have to add, “Daddy” after that? Unsure. Looking into it. Why is this so hard?)
#PostYourPie
And loops/conditional logic in workflow
and global variables/workflow
and create a Single page application without the need of hiding elements in the page
and you can add attributes, classes, id to elements without any hack
and any workflow can return data
and you can build plugins with a modern developer experience
No you’re not…, you’re sending canned generic email response that doesn’t answer our concerns.
@emmanuel @tatiana.a @nick.carroll @josh
The below just cost me 184 WFU
I’m DEAD IN THE WATER with this ‘Proposed’ Pricing Plan.
As a side note:
When I first read the email and the description in the manual and the pricing plans and tiers, I told my wife that ‘I think Bubble might have just gotten something right’…that was before I came to understand the allotted WFU is dramatically insufficient. As most power users have reported the sentiment, I too follow in that if the allotted WFU were revised by a factor of 10, then this change is somewhat in line with guidance provided during private discussions with Bubble reps.
I personally had two hour long discussions on the subject. I was and still am wholly against the sense of charging for ‘Visitors’ (This is exactly what a Page Load is But actually better because a Page Load could be done consecutively by the same visitor).
The idea of charging such high prices for API calls is completely transparent in it’s attempt to stymie any attempts to use a 3rd party database. I wonder if the focus was solely on that and the fact that charging such high rates for API calls never considered the damage it will cause to the product, because no longer will Bubble be as Powerful as it could be, since most users will not be able to affordably leverage that Power. One of the main draws for Bubble was it’s extendability. In Bubble hosted Bootcamps, one lesson was devoted to extending Bubble and highlighted the power of the platform. Now that API calls are prohibitively expensive, and the use of plugins costs have skyrocketed, the platform no longer has that allure of being Extendable.
I remember in discussions that Bubble as a platform needed to do a couple of things to make the Bubble business viable.
Also, I am personally saddened to see so many of the other users that I would consider my peers, be so turned off by this announcement that they are abandoning the platform and deleting their community supporting templates/plugins. It is such a pity to see all of this play out in real time.
Please revise the strategy around WFUs and how they are computed (ie: use of page loads, api calls etc.)…by revising, I would suggest the removal of certain variables, like removing API calls, or revising to trim down their weight. OR, please reconsider the total number of WFUs available in the plans and the different Tiers of additional WFUs to make it so that Bubble can still get an increase in revenue (ie: aim for that 10-20% increase most users are expressing as acceptable) from the ACTIVE APPS (which would mean, redo your data insight and avoid having any apps that are on the free plan in your data analysis on the implications of the pricing change).
IF Bubble were to tweak the pricing change to make it so most ACTIVE apps will see only a 10-20% price increase to operate their apps in a PREDICTABLE manner, AND Bubble were to move forward with their reported plans to improve the analytical tools to gauge our Apps operational costs, improve inefficiencies in the core platform and continue to work on improving the existing feature sets, I’d imagine Bubble would continue to be the number 1 platform in NoCode despite the lockin. If Bubble were to stick to their VCs guns and not budge on this issue, I’d imagine Bubble will burn through cash exceptionally quickly, need to raise a new round of funding a fail because the user base will have shrunk, because so many existing users will abandon the platform and the pricing structure will be too costly to attract any new users of any type.
Easiest solution to the mess that I can see right now, 10X the allotments of WFUs.
@dorilama bold.
Hey @boston85719 welcome to the exclusive Klub, bro.
I’m going to note that no Bubble person is here right now.
I CONTROL THIS NARRATIVE.
Oh no… I was catching up on replies here… @keith is in the “daddy stage” of grief… the worst one…
Actually: it matters not what power I have. What matters is that I control what you think.
You think that @keith has made some very good points.
You think that @keith is trustworthy and “has your back”.
You think that Bubble management is nothing like @keith.
You’re sure that Eurasia has always been at war with Oceania. Always was it ever thus. @keith says so.
Clearly @keith controls the narrative.
Anyone else noticed that their WFU has decreased since yesterday? I just went to check and our total WFU number has decreased by 20%.
I know this, because I spent all day yesterday trying to determine what user actions cost what WFU. Still completely unscalable, but interesting that it’s decreased.
Keep in mind that in the next months the async api of the plugins is supposed to have breaking changes because the main dependency of the plugin system was deprecated 2 years ago and it’s incompatible with node versions above 14.
Node v14 is hitting end of life at the end of the month, aws will stop to offer it in their platform few months after that.
I am eagerly waiting for this change since months for the private plugins I mantain for my clients, but at this point I would advise to port the ssa to cloidflare workers where the development is actually quicker, the service more reliable, fast and cheap.
The question is for all the free plugin in the platform: are they going to be updated? Does it make sense to update them?
see here for more info
Edit: do note how there was no reply to that topic
The thing that makes me the saddest and angriest is to see on their site. “The most powerful full stack platform”. The question is how is it the most powerful, because it is the most hacky platform in the world. I’m a professional developer and in every application I’ve built so far there isn’t one that isn’t stuffed with JavaScript (personal or community plugin). I’ll just take a few examples to illustrate, make an interface and a reusable component communicate together, keep a variable to avoid reloading it permanently, write in the console, make a graph with more than one series,all SSA plugin… Tomorrow in a part of these hacks, bubble will make us pay for a part of our own work they are too strong.
There’s something very wrong with calculating WUs.
80 WU for 1 Page view. No calculations. No searches. Just fetch 1 thing (that should be fetched anyway because the of the page type and the slug) and populate the data on the page.
Nobody cares about features, we’re looking into the WU.
In the 125k plan, 1 wu costs 0.0003$. 80 WU times 0.0003 = 0.024$. That’s per page view. 2 cents per page view
So the 32$ plan allows 1600 page views, without doing anything else. Seriously?
Ok, we’ll do the 134 plan as we are in the “Growth” stage we have more users and more income and more everything. In this plan, 1 WU surprisingly costs 0.0005$ (more than the previous one).
80 WU times 0.0005 = 0.04$ per page view. The Growth plan allows for 3350 page views.
So we’re paying more for the same… For 4 times the price, you get double the value.
The funny thing is that the Team plan has double the WU cost. Idk, I am not very good at math but so is the Data Analysts who came up with this.
The community has already proven that Apps with little to no features can exhaust the WU in matter of days. What’s left for apps that actually perform some actions.
Dang, why did I not think of it, excellent moment for this meme. 
if they change the term WU to WTF, this would make much more sense.
No, no change at all.
All the tests I did yesterday have the same amount of WU used.
No reductions at all.
Do I not control the narrative, @dodo? I’m pretty sure I do. I’m a plugin developer. Have I not entertained you? What fault can you find within me?
“This button click cost you 3450 WTFs. In the past 30 days your app has generated 23,400,000 WTFs”
