I understand the frustration, but that is a bit of a wild opinion about others. Let’s try not to get too frustrated please 
Because of the way it uses Bootstrap, the responsive UI side is slick and fast. And for a design klutz like me, it is far easier.
I would not have been able to do the hosting side a year or so ago, but have done enough now with white-labeling that I was pretty confident.
API connections are familiar.
The lack of a database is the main downside. I can happily set up a mySQL db and run it but the way to access it grates a bit. The flip side is that the mySQL admin tools are great, and you could stick something like Tableau on top for MI as well.
Once they have an integrated db, that will make it very interesting.
Others have far more experience, but after an initial “why is everything in a different place” it mostly made sense quite quickly. But the 7 day trial is just too short and $39 just to access a database seem quite a bit.
Which I realise is well off topic ! As a long term Bubbler I am still on a legacy plan, so am not so affected. But it did worry me, and still does (I think someone else said it was a sense of unease now which I agree with) worry me Bubble about doing an Import.io and pricing me out of the market overnight. If I was on the new plan I would be forced into retiring some of my apps, which are waiting for go-to-market strategies.
I was very disappointed when Bubble limited the number of collaborators at lower levels (because I need design help) and $159 is just not sustainable. And had I not been protected by a legacy plan I think I would almost certainly be migrating. My way of working on multiple projects doesn’t fit. Although it might push me into earning money from things much earlier, which is no bad thing
This.
You need to understand bootstrap and how it manages rows and columns, but after that it’s great that everything falls in place.
People that are used to point, drag and click will have a bad time but otherwise it all makes sense. And you actually learn bootstrap at the same time which is useful.
But bubblers need to understand that Wappler is not a drag and drop editor as Bubble. So some people may not like that.
Interesting to follow the thread here… those who are still disgruntled are posting, and not much word from those who feel Bubble have redeemed themselves. Would be interesting to hear from people in the latter group.
I think much of this is down to our own relationship with trust… clearly a very personal thing. We trust 100s of people we don’t know every day with our wellbeing, without even thinking about it. At least here we are getting to know Josh and Emmanuel.
I feel their challenge is in being the first to market, and in being pulled in a million directions they’ve never been pulled in before as they build their business. I’ve been there, and at times it is neither easy nor fun. Just getting through the day can seem like a big achievement.
Things will get easier for all of us when there is more competition. Once the market settles, prices will settle, nerves will settle… and that time is coming soon.
My guess is that Josh and Emmanuel, like most new entrepreneurs, are learning every day. They know they messed this up. They know the cat is out of the bag and can’t be put back in. They just need some time to decide how best to react.
It is my hope they will forge a close cooperation with the user base now, and really listen.
I have had a sense for a while that they sometimes have a tendency to hear, but not always listen… and unfortunately, I see a tendency to act first, and react to feedback later.
For me, it is to feel a change in these things which will determine whether my trust stays with Bubble, or goes elsewhere.
Yeah, and having picked up a bit of Javascript from building Server Side plugins … I may as well learn to code … Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo 
Seems to be a pinned forum topic on Bubble over at Wappler. Seems database management might be coming. Food for thought for sure!
Just looked and I started exactly 2 years ago on Bubble and built an enterprise level app so still pissed 
But it forced me to learn more about APIs etc…
Something more scalable, as expressed in this topic or others. In short, “Pay as you go”
I can’t touch the Open Source part. I don’t know how likely it is.
Yes…In the end we all are doing the same thing as developers. Some “code” and some “no-code”.
This applies to the editing environment as well (yes Bubble Is more than an editor, but I’m just speaking of editing for now). From the coding side, we have editors moving from plain text editors, towards gui. On the no-code side gui editors are evolving to support all the functionality code languages have. We are at the point now, where the editors are meeting in the middle, giving everybody choices… Mine used to be Bubble, but as of a few months ago, it is Wappler. Both great products, that meet different needs.
Good time to be a builder!
Woah 
Just goes to show how much of a rash and rushed decision the bubble team made in rolling out these new changes. It’s not just random bubble users hopping over, it looks to be some of bubble’s longest and most loyal users. Hoping for another update soon.
I get that @emmanuel and @josh are busy with other things, but the smartest way (in my opinion) to go about this would be a back and forth conversation with us (not just one big announcement at a time).
Hi,
[i’ve posted this answer on antoher topic so i share it here]
i’m quite new to bubble and using - for now - the free plan.
But about the pricing - and its recent modification - the pricing should not be considered based upon “global” plans. Regarding the various needs from people using Bubble, any pricing based upon global plans will never fit all the needs.
At a digital time and based on the product/service provided by Bubble, i expect, as a user (dev) AND an entrepreneur, the possibility to fine tune my costs :
- Custom domain : + $5 / year (billed on first month of subscription and each 12 months)
- +1 collaborator : + $25 / month (+ $21/month if billed annualy)
- +10 GB storage : + $5 / month
- Backup & Restore : 12 hours : + $2 / month - 7 days : + $5 / month - …
- Support : mail : + $2 / month - Priority mail : +$5 / month
- Multiple version : +2$ / version / month
- Server Capacity : 3 units : + $10 / month - +3 units : +$8 / month
- and so on …
(the prices are fictional)
But you got the idea …
Some “features” are depending on apps (and if i need something more for an app, i can explain to my customer WHY i will charge him more) and some others are depending upon my own company and are then considered as costs or/investment.
That would be certainly are hard work to consider all the options, possibilities, and so on, but once done, that would be much easier
Regarding Bubble C*O’s and leadership and all about trust, i’m sharing a few thoughts :
- @emmanuel and @josh are the bosses. They do what they want, wether it pleases the community or not, even if that’s a mistake (that it doesn’t please, but that’s an opinion)
- @emmanuel and @josh are humans. They make choices wther good or not. Especially as entrepreneurs, that’s their main point : MAKE CHOICES, TAKE DECISIONS.
- We’re customers. We decide ourselves if we wanna buy or not a product/service. That’s more difficult when you’re bound - tightly - to a provider.
- regarding each app, it’s OUR affordable loss to pay or not. If it’s an app for a customer, i suppose that as entrepreneur we have an economic model on it that integrates the costs for each app. If it’s an app for ourselves or there’s no economic model attached to it, then it’s only based on our affordable loss. That seems all.
- @emmanuel and @josh seem quite open-minded to bubble’s community comments
That said, considering bubble’s value proposition from the start, i would say that for this new pricing plans, they both made a mistake about pricing choices AND announcements. And they should be reviewed.
As Entrepreneurs, they should apply for the lemonade principle : if life sends you lemons, make some lemonade. i.e. regarding the outcry about the new price plans, what kind of opportunities there’re now ? i’m pretty sure there’re plenty. And they’ll have to take into consideration what is their affordable loss for any of their choices.
IMHO,
Best regards,
Guillaume
I’m in the category of folks that are fine. The versioning isn’t a feature I’d use, so I don’t care. The collaborator feature is something I don’t use, so I don’t care. The ability to buy more capacity is nice to get back, and the extension of the legacy plans for a while is also nice.
I’m happy to keep building on Bubble. The thing about human mistakes, like poor comms, is it’s really easy to not make the same mistakes again.
Bubble allows me to focus entirely on everything above the value line. Each hour of my time is worth way more to me than the cost of the personal and professional plan, so I’d rather use my hours on things that matter instead of fiddling with infrastructure and DB management, things that offer no value to the customer.
I believe the folks at Bubble will do better with comms in the future, I believe the performance and stability will continue to improve, and I’m fine to gamble on that because I’m in a position to do so. I recognize not everybody is, but the ability to build and run a fully featured web app for under 30 bucks a month is still an absurd value IMHO.
I’m part of the “latter group” you’re referring to, but simply because I’m a one man band who doesn’t use/need any of the collaborative features (for now). In my experience, I’ve seen companies like Bubble make big changes that quite clearly affect their user base but do not react. I think I would have been extremely worried if there was an inadequate response by Bubble to the uproar. By “inadequate”, I mean no attempt to try to rectify or at least reason with the community’s protest.
Personally, I think we should at least acknowledge the fact that they have rectified some of the issues and give them time to regain our trust. I’ve had a look at Wappler and it’s definitely out of my depth and would be for many other Bubblers, so for the time being, l think we should be patient.
I still have faith in you Bubble, make this right 
I had a go at wappler and its a completely different beast. The docs are there but getting yourself a database and a server setup is a seriously steep learning curve if you have never done it before. Im still going to try and work it out so I have an option / something new to learn.
In the meantime I have been playing around with boundless labs tonight and its awesome! Super intuitive and I already have one little project half complete that I have been putting off for a while!
The Boundless Labs pricing being based on number of users is interesting. Most of the apps I build are targeted at hundreds of users in order for me to be happy with the financial return. I can’t imagine that this model will scale. What if I build a really processing intensive app, but only has 300 users on it? Do I still qualify for the $50/month plan?
Bubble is still like under the radar for many people, and it can take just 1 famous advocate/evangelist to take it massively to the next level. I’m not that person 
I’m happy I can stay on the legacy plan, and will be able to move legacy plans… but that’s just delaying your real intent here (of getting a bit more money per customer).
I was heavily promoting Bubble every time someone asked me how I managed to release an entire web app in 3 months or so. With this new change, my will to promote it has somehow a bit decreased as the prices are a bit steeper, but still it’s a great way to build apps.
My other questions/worry is really about where apps are going, which is really towards PWA (Progressive Web Apps) which can turn your simple WEB app into a mobile-ready app for both Android and iOS. The PWA features keep getting better every few months, and soon it will be inevitable to have full PWA support for apps everywhere someone creates “an app”. It will be a lack of minimum standard, just like you would expect now all websites to be on https and no more on 20 year-old http.
I’ve been trying to reach this stage https://www.freecodecamp.org/news/i-built-a-pwa-and-published-it-in-3-app-stores-heres-what-i-learned-7cb3f56daf9b/
but got stuck at digital signatures, which is super simple to fix as it involves just putting a file somewhere on the server!
Anyway simple things like this, digital signatures, etc. for App Stores https://domain/.well-known/assetlinks.json are no assessed properly by @Bubble on how critical it is to have them ASAP.
haha yup, im not very good at math evidently.
@emmanuel & @josh What worries me about this new pricing is that sub apps are so far out reach with this 400% increase. It really is a BIG jump but I think if you lower the pricing option to have sub apps even on a personal plan it will give you more clients and there are possibility that those app will need a better plans too.
Jump from personal (16$/m) to have sub apps is almost 3000% price increase with a new system.
You may have missed the question mark at the end of that sentence. It was a question, not a wild opinion. I have seen a few people respond saying why they aren’t upset by the changes.
“Let’s not get too frustrated” and saying someone’s opinion is “wild” doesn’t seem to add much, in my opinion. 
I think we all recognise a rhetorical question when we see one 