Changes to how we charge for applications going forward

I think this is a massive point, and a completely fair one.

I know Bubble is trying to listen and be empathetic to its users. It would be unfair to say otherwise. But, Bubble needs to listen better and more :slight_smile:

This is a terrible look for Bubble

https://medium.com/@mintedpearl/are-bubble-prices-a-bubble-fe62e5eea474

@nate6 I understand you are trying to calm the conversation here but it is really not the right way to go about such a breaking change.

You do not just throw it at everybody like this plus most experienced or power users not being informed about this beforehand through interviews/testing.

This has happened in the past and now it is time to say we are valuing what Bubble delivers but it is not acceptable to always invest confidence just to be turned on the next time around.

Agreed. I’m new to bubble and spent the last 2 months doing bootcamps, hiring a coach, and have been absolutely giddy with the prospect of building my SAAS with no code. I’ve been utterly addicted. This announcement KILLED my enthusiasm. Talk about venture capital coming in and killing a business. What a crying shame.

You guys are ridiculous… every year you do something stupid like this…

25k rows is pitiful, we are about to build a product that will have around 50k records per user… Straight out of the box with only one user you don’t have a plan that is reasonable…

I like the structure but you must up the records considerably

Well I do use a lot of cloud tools (AWS primarily) where you pay for actual resources. If I consume a lot I got to pay, and it gets cheaper the other way around. That, to me, cannot be unfair.

The value I get from said resources is something completely different. And as the value is very different from each customer (AWS or Bubble customer), you cant generalize and say the price should be value based.

For example, a single row of data might represent a sale worth $2 in a thriftshop, or a real estate deal worth $5 mill.

Totally! Value-based pricing may be a sidebar thing. As I mentioned multiple times (we’re nearing 600 comments here, it’s getting insane), Bubble did not handle this change (not rolled back apparently?) well at all.

Does any know if there is a way to see how big (GB/MB) my bubble DB is without downloading it?

I knew that all these people from bootcamps must be super disappointed.
Thanks for raising your voice. I cannot understand how Bubble can push these bootcamps to no end during last idk half year and now turn on all those people they lured into learning the bubble for a fee.
@emmanuel I hope you see my point here.

this decision is a disservice to the entire nocode community, not just Bubble, even if they change these limitations trust in the service has been lost

Thanks for sharing this. Agreed.

Sure. We’ll I don’t really have any need to convince anyone about the right pricing philosophy :slight_smile:

Personally I’ve been reading up on pricing and seeing a lot of valid reasons that value-based pricing is the way to go for most SaaS business (as opposed to cost-plus pricing). That my personal experience in pricing is not great yet.

Pricing is a Director and VP level role at some companies. Lots there to learn I’m sure.

I don’t have a good metric on Bubbles databases sizes but what about something like this?

Free -Severely limited
Hobby - $6 /month - Max database (50mb) and Max Visitors (1,000).
Personal - $29/month - Max database (500mb) and Max Visitors (10,000).
Prosumer - $60/month - Max database (2GB) and Max Visitors (50,000).
Professional - $129/month - Max database. 6GB
Production - $320/month - No max database. 15GB Overages get billed at a determined rate only on the Production plan. $3-5 per GB

I think you summarized nicely. What is the point in staying with bubble, if we cannot reliably store and retrieve data. Who need extra storage space? existing 10GB could easily hold 10 M records. I am working on alternates, otherwise our applications will crash soon.

what is your recommendation for https://backendless.com/ or google firebase?

Bubble truly cheated all of us. I don’t this we can trust this company anymore.

It is not insane, if you make a lot of people believe they can realize their dreams with almost no investments & then you pull the rug w/out even saying why exactly.
This is the emotional side + freelancers have to give answers to their clients why they have to migrate / rebuild somewhere else for $$.

I don’t think this has been thrown out there yet:

What about bandwidth as a pricing metric? Like Webflow?

This very limited amount of data will make my application in Bubble unfeasible, which just to maintain query data necessary for basic operation has more than 30,000 items, not counting user data.

I think this is great! I’d been hoping for more transparency so that I could focus on designing a profitable app. Everything about this is thrilling to me.

Maybe offer two pricing plans— one for users who like this transparent plan that allows them to build an efficient scalable app, and another for users who want an unlimited database.

https://backendless.com/ is offering 100 tables with 10M API calls per month for $25/- per month. They are using realtime DB.