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Changes to our free plan

I follow my fellow latin americans and braziliians who said the most basic plan is too expensive for us. Agency plan? That would be a dream, but that costs half of the base income. Not only that, but your payment system is account-side, which makes no sense with an app plan system. You pick a plan by app but you need to pay for all apps together in one bill? Also, you can only have one credit card slot, making dividing payments in multiple payment methods impossible. Managing apps paid by multiple clients now demands multiple accounts. This could be more flexible, much like the competitor platforms, and include app-side payment, plan as well as payment method.

Take the already mentioned low base income on our country, include the high dollar-real exchange and put in all those barriers I mentioned together and it becomes REALLY hard acquire a plan for all my apps (specially the personally funded).

I work developing tools to help to administrate and manage courses for indigenous students. These students learn video editing, territorial and environmental management, managing, finance. These courses pay me what they can, which is not much (since the indigenous movement in Brazil is sabotaged by the government), all of our resources are scarce, any increase in bureaucracy or payment is a big blow in development.

About the transparency: I love you guys try to be as transparent as you can, and I appreciate that, every company should be that way. However three months in and I found some problems with what your team don’t explicitly say, for example: you described that 200 things is the limit for every app, but didn’t mention that you can’t delete things after you reach 100%, so virtually you lock your app until you pay for it, rendering it virtually useless and making testing and developing impossible too. (If someone knows any way around this, please dm me)

I can be wrong, I wish to, because I really like Bubble, it helped me join a career in programming at my 28 yrs old and is still helping me achieve long term goals and project with it’s methodology and format, which are all far better and more transparent than the competition. However with these new plans, I’ll have to cut more from food money to set any app up, and I can’t do that (and nobody should).

I support this. It’s important for Bubble to get a return on the incredible value they bring.

Now…just introduce MFA at the mid-pay-tier and I think the force remains balanced… :smiley:

I joined in January but I’m guessing I’m limited to the 200? I’m having trouble saving something that is fairly crucial in development and it’s not saving. I assume I’ve hit the limit but if it’s not the limit I don’t know what I’m doing wrong. How can I tell when I’m at 200? please help I can’t trouble shoot the problem.

Hey there @serviluvapp,

There is usually a warning that pops up that says you’ve reached the limit in development mode.

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Thank you. Then I’m doing something wrong for sure.

Hi there, would someone help me with the permissions for the departments as im confused and the permission which i thought should work aren’t working

a $9 month plan makes sense to me and your @B4B suggestion is great

I was really enjoying Bubble, but this value is a little expensive for Brazilian customers to pay, for this reason I switched to AppGyver found it more complex at first, but it is also more powerful and its pricing policy is very clear, up to $10,000 it’s totally free

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Really disappointed with Bubble!

I was about to launch my website where i found out that this plan has come into effect and bubble didn’t even send emails to anyone telling this.

As a person who spent almost 1000+ Hours Planning and doing all workflows of my app and putting this much effort to it and just with a blink of a second it goes to waist.

And $29 is alot for a website where i live. I thought bubble was “Free No-Code App Developer” but turns out the only feature that kept us going was the Develop to Live feature and now that’s gone.

Really really disappointed into this change……
Outrageous…

This sounds highly unlikely that the change would’ve affected you.

Had you started after the change, you wouldn’t be expecting free shit because they wouldn’t have advertised as free. i mean, cmon! had you started before, your app is still able to be deployed. I’m a prime example as are others on here. i have several ‘legacy’ hobby apps I regularly deploy updates for.

also, they gotta keep the lights on. you don’t get 100 mil invested as a non funds generating business. you can’t run a business on that model forever and hope to be fruitful.

unless you’re appgyver :laughing: somehow they figured that part out

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I’ve started using bubble since April 2020 and i already had apps but since i was on Hobby I couldn’t change my Domain, thats why i made a new app after making all the edits and testing it. And yesterday i came to launch it and turns out this is in effect which effected me and my members…

@mrpsgamer8

I fail to see how it is Bubble’s fault that you didn’t read the limitations of each plan. They were very transparent about the change to the free hobby plan. As you found out even the legacy hobby plan had limitations. Part of building an app is planning ahead for expenses. Launching an app on Bubble with a custom domain has always required users to upgrade to a paid plan. They bill themselves as a free no code app builder. Not a free no code app hosting company.

While I agree that there needs to be an intermediate plan it is not their fault you failed to read, understand and plan for the costs associated with building an app. For $29 a month you get an amazing amount of power and flexibility that would cost you exponentially more with traditional coding.

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Idk what you read. I said “I can’t deploy it to live”

On the Hobby Plan, you could Deploy it for free but now you can’t.

Good news is bubble just raised 100 million (I believe a week or two ago) so maybe the plans will get better.

I use to use a game engine called unity when it first launched it cost $200 a month which was way to much for a hobbies such as myself. After about a year or two they made a few changes, they opened up the asset store where users could create tools (this brings them a huge amount of revenue) and they created pro plan (which might be 1,500 a year) for large groups who make over a certain amount and last but not least a free version where you can deploy to desktop, mobile and a few others for free (unless you port to Xbox, PlayStation I believe you need a pro account).

Because they had a good product they scaled quickly and was able to offset the cost (free for hobbiest), and pro for professionals (unreal engine also adapted this tragedy) along with the assets store, they are considered the one of the 2 top engines in the world. Also indie developers also become pro members. The hobbiest will probably always be hobbiest but they contribute to the marketplace (bubble store/asset store) to create a win win for everyone. The asset store /marketplace whatever you decide to call it can do a profit split between the store hosting (bubble) and the developer who created the asset.

My hope is that bubble finds their way and can create something like this.

I myself as an indie developer spent a lot of money in the unity asset store because I wanted to save time developing whatever project I was working on (some did ok, some where flops) but it was affordable enough for me to continue the hobby I liked to do (sure wish I made enough to become a pro developer).

Tutorials were always free (and f you wanted to pay you’d go to udemy), this made the barrier to entry easier which meant more indies which meant more sales which meant more future studios and pro members a very nice ecosystem.

I’ve seen some templates for bubble and the pricing is scary $200 and up. Which I’m my opinion kills the ecosystem (for those who truly want to get in and learn, the developer will probably make less in the long run), don’t get me wrong I can see that kind of pricing if you were building drag n drop node system that users could use instead of the current no code system.

I think I got off tangent lol…

Anyway that’s my 2 cents
How do you build a thriving Ecosystem that rivals the competitors which enables you to get better (look at the ones who have already done it like unity (asset store), etc…, model and improve), I’m sure there’s a balance somewhere it might even be developing something independent so bubble doesn’t incur the cost of hosting.

As a user I want the tool and can deal with my own domain and hosting issues. I don’t know if others feel that way but at least it would take some of the weight off of bubbles shoulders (would then only need to create a system to make it easy for us to link to our database along with some tutorials).

I’m a hobbiest who’s hoping to not be a hobbiest someday but if the barrier to entry is to steep (then you wind up losing people), having a free edition let’s hobbiest continue to grow get better develop more solid projects and when one becomes a hit and they are actually now making money they have to become pro members.

Another option is to open up the programming side for tools etc… which would help the ecosystem they develop the tools user purchase them to make their lives easier to create no code apps (others have done the same to improve tools that could be purchased).

Maybe my next project can be an asset store with indie products at affordable prices?

One last note about being able to deploy live, that’s how you iterate early, then make changes and iterate some more with testers (after that I would get a pain plan to launch, so in essence it would be great to go live for testing and iteration processes (with a limit of say 5 users) but if you get over so many users then your not testing anymore you should have to move to a paid plan).

Take care everyone!
I’d like to be in for the long run even though I’m late to the party.

Ooops. I have semi-dormant project I have just been watching take $29/mo out of my checking account. So I downgraded to free assuming it was still going to work but losing my custom domain, adding back bubble branding, and maybe some dev tools. But lo and behold, I now discovered it won’t publish live so I can’t continue to get public feedback on getting it back to an active product status for me. Long story short… this kind of stinks for me and I had no idea you made such a change in pricing that impacted existing projects being downgraded… I do wish when I was downgrading you provided more info on the new limitations in FREE.

Hey Sean,

Thanks for bringing this to our attention. Just to confirm, when you switched back to the Free plan, did you not see this warning? (If not, we need to fix a bug somewhere!)

Droga, vou ter que aprender a usar o AppGyver agora

I was initially very excited about learning to use Bubble - it looked like a fantastic tool. However, the fact the free plan doesn’t allow all the features to be tested is a dealbraker. I’m not interested in publishing a live site for free but not having access to the Bubble API and not beaing able to revert to previous saved versions is ridiculous. I have no problem upgrading to a paid subscription once I’ve learned how to use the platform and have confirmed its capabilities. However, I refusse to pay $29 per month for a subscription whilst I’m trying to learn the platform. You’ve lost my business, and I’m sure many others will agree. Goodbye.

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In line with this change and Bubble (rightfully) seeking revenue… what do folks think about this?

On the free plan you usually get prompted for a 14 day free trial to upgrade to the paid plan. Just click it and you get access to everything. Cancel if you don’t like it within 14 days.