Loss of Major EU Clients Due to US Hosting

Hi @fede.bubble it’s nice to have an update on this, thank you :folded_hands:

Please don’t under estimate the number of devs/companies facing this issue in EU, even if it is not easy to quantify.

Since 3+ years, I’ve had about a dozen prospects who didn’t move forward because of this issue. If you multiply this by the number of Bubble dev’s, and by the price of the pro plan it’s something ! :smiley:

@fede.bubble Please just include the hosting in the EU as an add-on :frowning:
500 euros is ok, or even higher if it’s needed, but going to the enterprise plan is at least 3k

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agree 100% on this

Not at all. In fact, our new Bubble is Global campaign centers around all the builders and apps we have in the EU. Check it here: Bubble Is Global | Bubble

@fede.bubble can there be a megathread for EU hosting threads because this topic has been done to death

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Hello everyone,

And what about the Cloud act ?

I am French from Paris. I am a bubble dev. And a risk management consultant, so the sovereignty topic is a big stuff for my jobs and my clients.

Sorry to say that, I talked about it in 2023 with Bubblers and I quickly understood it won’t ever happen with Bubble.

It is not on the mid-term strategy.

Also, okay imagine tomorrow, @fede.bubble and the Bubble team say they will give the possibility to host in Europe cheaper than the Enterprise plan. Bubble will host with AWS, and I understand because they already host to them. But the huge organizations that you talked , they won’t accept it because Bubble doesn’t host in an European Cloud service provider (CSP)

The organizations are also afraid about the Cloud Act. With the Cloud act, US can forced American companies to give informations even if the info are in another country.

so you have to accept to forget this organizations or to develop new skills. Supabase is a good option because you can self-host.

but good news, companies, even key accounts, think one thing first, reduce costs and today AWS is the cheaper and the most powerful.

To give you an example, I am working with a key account ( 8000 people and treating sensitive data), they are moving from OBS (French CSP) to AWS.

QED

Interesting topic – it has my full support.
It looks like AWS has understood the issue, which is why they’re setting up ESC (see below).

Bubble went on a product tour in Paris in October this year, presumably to attract potential European customers. I’d be very surprised if the smart people at Bubble hadn’t done their homework and already put their top priorities in order – which of course includes GDPR compliance and EU-based hosting. In my opinion, 4k+ per month for an enterprise plan is an option in itself, but not a particularly competitive or attractive one in times of AI-powered coding solutions.

Let’s put this topic on our Santa wish list and keep our fingers crossed.
Happy first Advent!

So an enterprise app built/powered by AI code is cheaper to host and maintain? Genuinely curious. First time I’ve heard of this.

It depends if you treat an AI app as Vibe-Coding or AI-Assisted coding.

I went to the AI Assisted route and I don’t think I’ll be coming back to Bubble.

I conceptually know how things work and should work, best practices and so on.

I have hard time writing complex code myself BUT that’s what AI is for.

If you have a domain, you can have a React/NextJS + Supabase + Stripe app on Cloudflare in a week and accept payments. Plus: analytics engine, KV, R2, firewalls, rules and whatnot built in.

And if you get some volume, supabase is 25$ for tons of volume and the workers paid plan is 5$.

The effort input? It’s not more than building it on bubble and trying to cut corners on every turn.

BUT one must know what they are doing. “Building me an ai habit tracker” won’t suffice

Hello :slight_smile:

Good point about AWS ESC. However, the Cloud Act applies to all US companies regardless of where their datacenters are located. AWS European Sovereign Cloud addresses technical sovereignty but not legal jurisdiction – US authorities can still request data access.

I spoke with several attendees from the Bubble Paris event, and unfortunately the team confirmed that EU hosting isn’t on their roadmap currently.

At 4k€/month for Enterprise, it’s a tough sell for CIOs, especially with AI-powered alternatives emerging.

My take: Bubble remains excellent for startups, SMEs without sensitive data, and specific departments within larger organizations. But for enterprises with strict data sovereignty requirements, we need European alternatives.

What’s your view on other no-code platforms like Xano + WeWeb for EU-regulated clients?

That’s just software development in general… infrastructure selection is just one part of a whole.

I’m curious as to how AI can help reduce the overheads of hosting, running and maintaining an app when at scale. Since you are comparing it to the cost of a Bubble Enterprise app.

I was referring in my post to potential new customers for Bubble — those who, as far as I understand, are still non-tech entrepreneurs/teams who want to build a business.

Typically, these users start with one of the various app plans (Growth, Team, etc.). As their business grows and they earn more, they also upgrade their plan to get more value. That’s the normal, expected path, I guess.

For EU customers, however, this path is not so straightforward due to increasing data-protection requirements. To meet these requirements, the only suitable option at the moment may be the Enterprise plan (4K/month), which from my personal perspective is not an attractive choice for founders who are just getting started — just as it probably wasn’t for you when you began.

Once the business is running and generating strong revenue, the Enterprise plan may indeed be a solid offering in terms of value for money.

I’m curious to see how EU demand will develop.

That’s not a helpful reply. Some of us built apps for public sector use. Maybe we were foolish to do so. But given that @emmanuel is European, peut-être qu’il voudra faire quelque chose? Eh, mec?

As a founder who has been bootstrapping for the last 4-5 years, I totally understand where you are coming from.

Working with statutory boards, I also understand the added challenges of data sovereignty requirements.

I’ve done the maths for multiple solutions to overcome these realities a number of times over the years.

It’s not the only solution but an enterprise plan with Bubble is still one of the better options out there. It’s literally what I would pay to salary one more developer to shift the main infra out of Bubble.


For us, what we did was sit down with key figures in the stat board to nail down the actual sovereignty requirements. It requires shifting of some infra and additional development time but all in all it works in our favor cost-wise.

I know our story cannot apply to everyone but one thing is common: being a founder is about working within limitations. Negotiate and compromise if you have to.


Regardless I wasn’t responding about data sovereignty in the first place. I want to know how AI reduces hosting and maintenance costs in software development.

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hear hear! Heard the same story at the Bubble tour in London that it won’t be available soon, much to the dismay of the people in the audience. But let the communtity speak and upvote this to the top of the idea board (currently sitting at #7): Ability to choose server in Europe | Bubble

We’re doing some work to make this possible in the middle term, but it’s not a small project. There is a chance this happens in 2026, or early 2027.

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I hope Bubble doesn’t place too much weight on the order of the idea board.

The idea board is primarily targeted at existing Bubble customers and their issues and needs. However, if Bubble does not meet the elementar requirements of potential new EU customers in terms of price and value, they are likely to move on and don’t become Bubble users – let alone participate in the ideaboard and vote.

Because of this, the number of people who will vote for the feature “Ability to choose server in Europe | Bubble” will remain quite limited. The voting process mainly reaches existing Bubble users, most of whom operate outside the EU or are on a dedicated plan, and therefore have little reason to care about this feature.

If Bubble really intends to enter and serve the EU market, these needs should be addressed with attractive price–value offerings. In my view, this is primarily a strategic management decision rather than something that should depend on user voting.

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