Ownership of IP - Security for Fundraising/Acquisition

Hi everyone,

Over the last year I and my team built a B2B SaaS app on Bubble. I am quite a fan, and hope to stay on Bubble for a long time.

However, as we start to gain traction, acquire users, generate revenue, and pitch investors, the question of who owns the app/IP keeps coming up. More importantly, what happens if Bubble is no longer a going concern aka goes out of business? How exposed are we to that risk?

After doing research into the various Bubble policies, terms, and other forum posts we understand that Bubble has said the following:

On IP:

  • “The basic rule: you own your data. This includes the design of your application and the data that your users upload (pursuant to your own agreement with them, of course).”
  • “Bubble apps don’t exist as code in the traditional sense, and can only run on the Bubble platform. There’s currently no way of exporting your application as code. If you decide to move off the Bubble platform, we can provide a raw dump of your application logic and visual design as a JSON file to speed the process of converting your app to a different platform.”

On Bubble as a going-concern:

  • “We want to make sure you feel secure about building on the Bubble platform, so, although we plan to be around for a very long time, here’s our guarantee: if for some reason we ever have to close down shop, we will release the Bubble source code under an open-source license so that you can set up your own Bubble server and keep your app running.”

Claims about IP ownership & transferability seem to be adequately addressed in Bubble’s terms, but is there any contractual/legally binding document explaining what happens if Bubble shuts down and how/when they will go about publishing their code base?

I want to continue to build on Bubble with confidence that our work and our business will be protected/secure no matter what happens. I believe in the company, but anything could happen.

Thanks in advance!

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If I was in Bubble’s shoes, I would not be thinking too hard and long about what happens after they run out of business. I actually think that the thing that is most probable to happen is that Bubble as a platform is purchased rather than it going out of business. It’s been a long time since Bubble has been released. New updates and new users are continuously increasing.

I am also interesting in the lower likely case where Bubble becomes an open source tool after going out of business. How scary and dangerous that would be, but also curious about how that would work out!

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The Bubble team has addressed several times that if Bubble were to cease operations for some reason, they would open source the project.

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Thanks both! @jonah.deleseleuc @newhorizoncode

I am aware of the commitment they made, but if that were really to happen, is there any legally binding documentation supporting this (e.g. bylaws, amendment to articles of incorporation, etc.)? Or would we have to sue them with an argument along the lines of “but you said you would”?

Apologies for grinding this point. I get this too:

I truly and sincerely hope that doesn’t happen, as I think Bubble is an amazing platform and company. Just trying to find an answer for inquisitive lawyers.

Thanks

Good question,

Could review TOS or reach out to legal@bubble.io for further clarification.

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I did and received the following from Jing He, VP Finance at Bubble:

“We currently don’t have a legal document supporting this. But we do honor what we state on Bubble’s website very seriously.”

Hopefully we’ll see something concrete in the future but for now this will suffice!

Thanks for the help everyone

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Respectfully, Slobodan, you have very clearly stated your increasing frustration and unhappiness with bubble. Why are you still using it?

I’ve been very curiously following this post and I’m sure that a lot of others don’t see the ‘solution’ above as a solution at all - without anything written in the T&Cs there is no guarantee that any effort will be made to keep businesses going if bubble were to go under. Neither ‘taking it seriously’ nor a sentence on bubble’s FAQ page are legally binding, and any investor with concerns about a product being on bubble.io will come to the same conclusion. The main question these answers raise is why they don’t have anything stated in the T&Cs if that’s their intention…

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@sam20 I agree with you here. Perhaps @josh or @emmanuel could comment, or connect us with someone who has more details?