Why Bubble no longer RELEVANT

  1. Bubble still unable to dish out ANY relevant AI feature.
  2. Bubble roll out Editor that is FAR WORSE than previous.

and after i try Google Firebase Studio… lovable, bolt.
give them 12 months.

Bubble is no longer relevant.

a platform with so many user, so many supporter.
but they only offer “worse experience”

And forced me to use the NEW EDITOR.
After i cannot turn on this NEW EDITOR. It really ruined bubble for me.

Previously, i dont jump ship because i already familiar to work with Bubble.
Now?? Bubble remove that advantage from me.

I become less familiar, and very unfriendly for me to relearn the new editor.

It like sending me a message, go try something better, easier, no vendor lock.

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Regarding your AI point, a general consensus has been formed lately on this topic.

  1. People without coding skills have in Bubble one of the best tools they can find for developing fullstack apps. Maybe not because it’s perfect, but because it’s the best option they have.
  2. People who know how to code are the ones that should be heavily thinking about a shift to AI copilots like Lovable and others.

Regarding the new workflow editor, there’s a vibrant discussion going on as we talk, and I agree that there a lot of things to improve on it, but I personally think it’s bearable.

So, in my opinion, I don’t think Bubble isn’t relevant anymore for a lot of people. It might be for proficient coders.

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this year. Good coder can be x10 with AI Coding Agent
Next Year?
Next next Year?

i had been using bubble for 5 years.

I see near zero significant improvement since 5 years ago.
The only improvement i had is myself with bubble knowledge.

Personally, the relevance I think depends on your skillset and resources (time, money, skills/people with said skills). AI is a TOOL, but it cannot alone replace those resources - and you cannot 100% trust the output, since it only knows how to do things it was trained with the knowledge (and let’s face it - most of us have no idea what training data was used) - so you need to know a little about what you’re doing instead of blindly trusting the output.

I have played around with AI tools in the platform, I regularly use private AI solutions in my day job so am well-versed in prompting “language” - and even then, I run into issues all the time with native code and in bubble. In more cases than not, AI coding “bots” tend to be trained with knowledge that is everything from absolute stupidity and bad practice, to exceptionally optimal code structures - so your mileage may vary.

As to the relevance of the platform - it is a great solution if a) you are a “lone ranger” trying to build something from scratch whilst lacking technical resources (e.g. coders and infrastructure), or b) if you are a founder trying to build something quickly and focus on building the company and not coding. You definitely do NOT want to be building a B2C app with it though due to WU model.

I personally can write very complex code when I need to, but as a founder working alone - I don’t want to sit there all day writing code, debugging, standing up deployment infrastructure and pipelines, patching infrastructure, security a cloud environment, working out hosting, etc. etc. etc. - so a platform like this saves me that massive headache and allows me to build unimpeded. With this said, bubble will NOT be my production platform due to the WU model - so I build the backend on Xano (extensively using native JS code in lambdas) for portability to enable the move away from bubble, or even Xano when I’m ready.

I still stand by that the WU approach is the biggest thorn in the side of this whole platform, as it effectively defeats the benefits of point B above, in that you are forced to continuously optimise your “code” to reduce WU to maintain affordability. But this doesn’t make the platform irrelevant - if you have the funding, you are good to go and just create poorly optimised code without any real issue. This, ironically, is an area bubble probably needs to focus on next with their AI tools - working out how to use it to optimise the code for their users to avoid bill shock. I halted the launch of my app due to the WU model making it completely unaffordable (my app is a B2C app, which is now a VERY poor use case for bubble thanks to the WU model), so the relevance of the platform also depends on the type of app you are building. I would not see an issue with a B2B or internal app in the bubble platform. Had I known about the planned WU model pricing - I would have stayed well clear of this platform and probably gone with something else for my B2C use case. Then again, AI doing native code wasn’t a mainstream thing 5 years ago, so this was a great option back then…

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Title is a little click-baity but beyond that, I think it’s pretty normal for users to compare tools. This is an open marketplace after all and every platform is competing for their vision of what the future of app development should look like. It happens in every industry.

A more interesting question (for me) is if Bubble is investing in the things that will make users choose us versus the competition, and how to identify those opportunities so we can continue making the ecosystem better for everyone. Things like using AI to remove friction (for new users or power users), increased security, better backend support, more native ways of building app features.

We are doing some of those already: App Interface Manager, integrating Flusk into Bubble, improving the output quality of Bubble AI, investing in our platform (aka less outages or “hiccups”), Native API streaming, the new Changelog, and Native Mobile launching in June

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WU = killing me, i stop develop any new thing of Bubble. Because of this.
But i still need to maintain old job here, i just now Bubble make it more harsher for me with NEW Editor.

I start bubbling 2020 (before AI boon )
And closely follow AI progress.

Every 3 months, AI almost solving problem at double complexity. This exponential growth will soon made bubble obsolete within 2 years. Consider how bad the platform management is.

  1. Bad “new update”
  2. Bad vendor locked in cost.
  3. While some No-code offering no lock in
  4. AI Coder evolving at light speed.

i pretty sure, they(bubble) wont last long.

  • All 4 major AI did focus their Coding ability and they just improved significantly every quarter.
  1. Computation Cost ( workload Unit ) is cheaper by time.

  2. Bubble do otherwise. while maintaining the WU price over almost 18 months. You guys are going agaist the Trend.

  3. I like how Bubble allow us non-coder to start “visual coding” I appreciate that.

  4. But we can never treat Bubble seriously. Never.

  5. Bubble made us / force us to consider “More serious Platform” once we understand programming, app, workflow.

  6. Bubble lead us into “coding world” but same time, force us to move on.

  7. With AI Coding Agent ( Prompt - Code ) is 1 of the most fiercely competed market. Every months there is better/newer option available to us.

  8. Code faster (much faster), no lock in.

  9. The incentive to learn new coding tools (Prompt to App) is really big. especially you are from Bubble.

Why would you still be using a platform you didn’t find relevant anymore?

Makes no sense to rant about how irrelevant it is and still be using it.

Your biggest cost is your time, not subscription or workload unit cost.
Time learning a tool.
Time doing valuable work with that tool.
Bubble gives my agency team the ability to build valuable digital products with very little time.
We have refined processes that let us design and build workable MVPs in 5 or 6 days on Bubble. Exactly the way we want. Reliably. In a scalable way, without poor technical quality.
Not sure where vibe coding is at with this yet.
Therefore Bubble has a place in my businesses.

so wrong.
So so wrong.

When bubble is outdated. no longer relevant.
All your time invested with Bubble = GONE.

Do you really think Bubble can stay relevant for 20 years??? ??

^^^^^

People here do not value their time enough!

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People like you dont think long term.

You have your career, project, your SaaS, your business built around Bubble.
The only thing you can do is PRAY that Bubble stay relevant for 50 years.

Do you know what company are involved in AI Coding Agent development?

Top Level : Google, OpenAI, Antrophic, Microsoft, Alibaba…
Medium Level : Many 20M+ worth startup like Lovable, Cursor, Bolt…

No-code like bubble cant survive.

Every 3 months, AI Coding proven taking business into next level. it just 1~2 years it will replace no-code space. Especially platform like Bubble which plagued with many deadly problem.

  • editor slow like hell

Funny you bring worth where we all know that it’s doesn’t mean anything (Builder.ai)

Lovable, Cursor, Bolt… are fine to use for user that have a dev background and know what they do and what they need.

You don’t have too. Better to use any tool that you are comfortable with and bring your idea ASAP. You can migrate later.

They have developpers team… And they know AI limits! They have ressources (money, human…)

Search the forum. I think a new topic about that is created every 6months since 2-3 years… that predict the fall of low/no-code in 1 years… We are already 3 years later and the progress of AI become slower… (even if they improve each time and they have improved a lot since… but it’s easy to improve at the beginnig…)

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“Do things that don’t scale.”

Correct.

Look up how much Bubble is worth.

Actually they are arguably getting worse (hallucinating more).

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I’ll jump ship from Bubble as soon as it makes sense to do so :man_shrugging:

Vibe coding an MVP is very different from running a production app. Bubble takes that win easily.

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AI will change how we program. It’s already very impressive what AI assistants can do for coders. MCPs are being adapted fast and will soon be as common as APIs. Google also just released models for on device usage ushering the age of offline AI. I already have great use cases for my target market.

Most of all I believe that AI IDEs are the future of coding. You either code with AI or become a relic of the past. But…Vibe coded apps for prod in business? Nah, never gonna happen.

^This so much.

Try pushing vibe coded apps to prod…or run any vibe code in prod. I can tell you from experience that if you don’t know code or understand programming, you’ll go crazy trying to resolve issues.

You know how frustrating it is for AI to tell me that everything is alright only to realize the problem was because I made a case error in my JSDoc comments?
Or just yesterday I spent 2 hours resolving a function call to an API with AI only to realize that the issue was because I didn’t point it to the correct documentation.

Without good context any AI will fail. The only way to provide good context is to understand the subject. The point is that code will always be the realm of coders. Of course, AI has drastically lowered the barrier of entry but there will always be a place for Bubble.

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I feel like this tweet from @emmanuel is bang on.

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@georgecollier don’t be mean :rofl:

The guy was taking shots at Bubble so was asking for it! Better that I found it before launch than someone else afterwards :upside_down_face:

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