Given all the problems with uptime lately, I am having to reconsider my plan to stick with Bubble for the post MVP phase of a project I am working on and am wondering if subscribing to a Dedicated Plan is a viable option for avoiding this fate.
I am hoping that some of you who are currently on a Dedicated Server Plan can give me some unvarnished intel on how much more reliable dedicated servers are and whether there are any other advantages other than horsepower and uptime.
The only thing youâd be avoiding if you subscribe is the extra money you could be saving
A more formal response:
Consider moving your important data off Bubble and using Bubble as your âpanelâ of sorts to allow user interaction with your database with an adapter or plugin. Using Bubble as a UI is fine, but to really ârelyâ on stability, youâd want to assure your important workflows and data is off-site.
A good thing for this is ReTâl. Iâm sure you can fill in the blanks. If you need the link you can DM me. Not trying to advertise other stuff.
They donât go down quite as often but are now seeing some features not working. However, the fact they want $60k+/yr (13.5k/quarter) for dedicated but they canât fulfill uptime on their normal plans is quite the kick in the nads to their customer base.
That $60k/yr would go vastly further in marketing than just maintaining the bare industry standard 99.9% uptime most funded web providers can maintain and do maintain and their customers pay <$100/mo typically.
3 of my companies avg a $0.04 cost per landing page views. That $60k/yr bubble wants to get the industry standard of uptime is equivalent to 2,000,000 potential buyers eyes on my products.
Edit: added proof bc my DMâs had people claiming that low of a cost per landing page view wasnât possible.
Putting this into consideration is actually mind-blowing if you think about it. Because each view (page load) will take WU, not only that, but the workflows you have for each page load. There is a huge flaw in Bubble with this, because they have multiple instances where-as the page does not need to âloadâ again, and it will do so anyways, creating unnecessary usages. Combining this with all your workflows, man that can be cumbersome.
FACTS!
Prime reason I donât market top of funnel traffic on bubble landing pages. Not only is it expensive because of bubbles price model but itâs also SLOW. Bubbles uncached load times are horrific 8-12seconds. Once cached itâs instant but TOF traffic is always uncached.
$60K/Year is the base price? It sounds like Bubble has not enjoy any economy of scale in running these individual servers. Do they have one full time staff for every 5 servers. Or is it assumed that the only reason to move up to that level is to get more processing power? My project doesnât need that much horsepower - we just canât risk the downtime.
I am relieved to see that the base can be lower but it does seem like Bubble is trying to make their money on the larger installs which seems counter productive as it will incent people to shift off the platform as economics makes it a no brainer.
Am talking to the Bubble sales team on Friday. Want to go into that meeting fully prepped.
It is very much a sales pitch with sales sparkle, as described above, having been on one. I spoke on behalf of one of my clients and it was just sales puff - I told them, listen, I need dedicated server, purely so it can be EU hosted, on the base tier (the application only has like 20 active simultaneous users). Roughly how much will that set my client back and when can you do it?
It was just like âooooh SSOâ, âahhhh we can help your business grow!â. Most of the questions they asked felt like they were asking so they could gauge how locked in to Bubble we were (what would you do if you canât get Dedicated plan), and how much we were willing to pay (how much would it cost you to build your app traditionally, look how amazing Bubble is!).
I understand bubble is a really good tool for MVP. But paying $3.5k/mo in infra costs (not total tech costs) for a platforms which has just 20 simultaneous users - how does the math work?
got it. the b2b projects that i worked on which charge on the higher end, they obviously need to do heavy data work - reports, analytics, alerts, data transformations and cron jobs which meant moving to xano from bubble. Hence donât really understand how this works. Just moving to Xano is 70-80% cost reduction, do people at somewhat a higher scale prefer moving to code?
I mean I understand bubble for MVP, itâs hard to understand the usecase for dedicated. Some backend data heavy work is just not possible with bubble even after that hefty price
How long ago was that? I would have thought that they would not be leaning so heavily on the âcheaper than traditional app devâ arguement given all the No Code competitors that are popping out of the woodwork.
If my hypothetical app costs $2k in WU, and migrating to Xano cuts those costs to virtually $0, then youâd think thereâs $2k savings. But my time is worth $120/hr, and Iâd spend at least 16 hours per month more time to develop equivalent features in Xano, which is where it breaks even.
@anshjain232 thanks for this. If I understand you correctly, you use Bubble as a front end and Xano as a backend. If that is a yes, then maybe you can tell me how much of an issue the 99.47% uptime (0.53%) downtime is for you. What percentage of the outages actually impact your apps? Is it just cheaper or does shifting processing to Xano actually mean less service interruptions for your apps?
Service interruptions wonât be affected if moving to Xano, theyâll keep happening as long as frontend is in Bubble. Outages werenât very common last year so Bubble + Xano stack was going good. I guess this month is an exception in terms of outages because I donât remember anytime it happened even half of this.
For moving to Xano - Itâs just that data is protected and your backend logic (which is generally more important to run seamlessly) will keep running smoothly. Some of us are scared that there might be security loopholes and hence are protecting the data on Xano. I moved to Xano 2 years back where my main concern was performance which is far better.
