Thank you very much for taking the time to respond to these. Iāll get to testing. Much obliged!
Thank you! This is an awesome edition to Bubble for one page applications!
Hi TechShot, implementing your plugin now, I am trying to use the external url structure on the home page but the link is going to a new page and I donāt know how to prevent this unless there is already a first parameter on the page like you have on the sudsy demo
Hi @253digital,
Unfortunately, the home/index page is the only page where it wonāt work. As stated in the initial post of this threadā¦
The page name can be as short as you want - even just a single character - but the plugin must reside on an internal page. I will update the official docs to emphasize that as well.
No worries Shot, itās not a big deal to rename the page and add a redirect from the bare domain to another page.
Thanks for making the plugin I was able to figure it out and it was really helpful!
Evan
Hey Steve @sudsy , thanks for creating this. Itās going to solve problems for me that i didnāt know i had until today. Purchased and super keen to start using it in a few hours.
I do have three questions before I begin implementation:
First, if I want my homepage to be a sudsy page, can i just use a redirect from the index on page load? Iām going to have a /en page and then do the same with other languages in time. Then, for SEO purposes, would it make sense to include a crawlable link element on the index page for each of these language āhomepagesā in order to have some type of connection - even if human users never see them?
Second, I have lots of internal pages with long-form text content and decent numbers of hyperlinks to my other internal pages. Normally just <a href tags. Do you know what the best way is to keep the SEO juice for these, taking from your earlier discussions with @boston85719 that text elements donāt work for SEO (hence using link elements for navigation). You mention the āGo to URLā workflow action in your documentation, but by my reading this action still needs to reference a link element in order to be crawled?
Third, for navigation I have a lot of group-focus elements with collapsable submenus. Currently text elements but iāll be changing them to links. Most of these are not visible upon page load and appear upon hover (desktop) or click (mobile/tablet) of a drop-down style icon. Is that an impediment to SEO crawling? Is a sitemap of assistance here? I realise that this one may stretching the topic, but I thought I would ask as itās related to my use-case.
Thanks,
Chris
Hi Chris, thanks for your purchase.
If I understand correctly, youāre asking not about using the plugin on the index page, but rather about redirecting from the index page to another page that uses the plugin. From a technical standpoint, I see no reason why that wouldnāt work, but whether or not itās a good approach from an SEO perspective, I couldnāt say, as I donāt consider myself an SEO expert. I also havenāt created a multi-lingual site, but I know there are others who have, so perhaps they can offer some insights on the best approach.
Just use a Bubble Link element, as it generates an anchor <a>
tag on the page. Thatās what itās for. The pluginās Go to URL action was added primarily for the benefit of those creating single-page apps (SPAs) who donāt want the URL appearing on mouse-over (as most browsers do with hyperlinks). It can be used for any navigation where SEO is not a concern. There is no need to use both.
Again, Iām not really in a position to make SEO recommendations, so I canāt comment on the sitemap issue. Iām sure youāll find plenty of info, though, with a forum or internet search.
As I describe in this post, however, Google does seem to render dynamic content and thus see each unique URL as a separate āpageā to index (even though itās technically a single Bubble page).
Hope that helps somewhat.
-Steve
FYI, the same BBCode that works in Text elements also works in Link elements, so you can create a hyperlink that looks like an iconā¦
Using this approach, you can create links that look like buttons or icons but which provide āSEO juiceā.
EDIT: Of course, thereās also the Show an icon instead of text option, but I find the BBCode approach more flexible since Bubbleās expression builder can be used to construct the link text (which could contain 1 or more icons plus text).
Thanks for your replies @sudsy. Iāve done a bit more research and for the benefit of future readers here is what I have found.
-
301 redirect should do the job of moving my āmain homepageā to /en (which will be a sudsy page). The secondary homepages (/de /es etc) will live parallel to that. I donāt believe I need crawlable link elements on the page because the 301 does the work. This article was helpful as was this one, the key is to let the alternate language sites be user selected and not based on any redirect assumptions. Iām going to store links to my alt language āhomepagesā in a group-focus that behaves like a drop-down.
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Link elements are the answer as you mention.
-
Vertical menus are crawlable because robots scan the source code. They read HTML pages like a text file, so if the URL exists there, it should get indexed. If Bubble exposes urls like this (and link elements seem to) then it should all function well. Sitemap is still a must of course.
Cheers,
Chris
While iām on the topic, I think there is one spot where using navigable text elements can supplement link elements, and thatās for duplicate navigation. In my app/site I have a mobile menu and a desktop menu that load based on screen width. If they both contain link elements I have effectively duplicated every linked url in my nav. This is bad for SEO. My solution is to only use link elements on the desktop menu and leave the mobile links as text elements. This will allow desktop users to right-click to open pages in new tabs (less likely for mobile users), and will make sure that google only identifies a single set of urls. Google search console article for reference
Hi @sudsy I found a small bug you might want to be aware of:
When you run the app in version-test
, SudsyPage's Path Param
knows to ignore version-test
.
When you run as
a user in live version (from your database), the URL bubble creates has version-live
appended to the end of Website Home URL
. Sudsy Page's Path Param
's 1st element evaluates to version-live
in this case, which breaks many of the routes that are built in my app.
Is it possible to add parallel logic to ignore version-live
just as it does for version-test
?
Hi @jacob.b.singer,
Thanks for the head-up on that. I donāt think weāve ever actually tested that scenario, so will look into it.
In the interim, if you manually remove the version-live
path param from the URL after clicking run as
, does that work for you?
-Steve
Thanks @sudsy !! I missed your earlier message - the answer was yes, we could work around it by deleting version-live. But glad to not need to do that anymore!
Confirmed this works well!
Hi @sudsy Wondering if you have any insight into a problem Iām facing. Iām building an SPA using your brilliant plugin. Everything is going swimmingly except for my SEO metadata. As you probably know, Bubbleās expression builder for SEO titleās and descriptions is not very ā¦ āexpressive.ā It can only refer to the current pageās thing, the current user, an option set, the current URL or an arbitrary data search. That is to say it cannot reference the current pageās elements or states. Even worse, the SEO fields are not accessible from the conditional logic builder. So whatever approach one adopts canāt rely on conditional logic to retrieve SEO metadata. Finally, testing has demonstrated that any searches performed within the SEO fields are run only once, on the initial page load. All of this has me more or less pulling out my hair. Do you know of any solution that would allow me to change the SEO metadata fields dynamically on URL change without reloading the page?
Edit: After thinking about this some more, Iām wondering if it would be possible to use Javascript or perhaps @ZeroqodeSupportās CSS Tools plugin to modify the metadata in the page head? Iām not very familiar with JS, so a little intimidated by the prospect. That said, it seems to me that modifying the metadata prior to changing the URL might be a hacky way of preserving the performance of oneās SPA without sacrificing good SEO. Do you think this might work? Pinging @keith here since heās a whiz with this sort of thing.
@sudsy Sorry to ping you twice in one night. However, Iām wondering if you could explain the relative benefits of using link elements vs workflow actions to navigate via the Sudsy plugin. Iām realizing that the solution suggested in my last post would require me to rely on workflows for most intra-page navigation. Iāve read suggestions that links are better from an SEO perspective, but donāt quite understand why that would be. Please forgive me if youāve addressed this elsewhere.
Hi @ts11,
Looks like your persistence paid off with this issue. Nice going!
First off, Iām no SEO expert.
What I do know, though, is that link elements result in actual HTML anchor tags <a>
in the DOM (rendered page), which Google can āseeā and thus utilize to glean info about site structure. Bubble actions, OTOH, are just JS code and provide no information about document or site structure.
Also, from a UX perspective, browsers treat links a bit differently. Sometimes this is desirable and sometimes not. For example, most browsers show the full destination URL when the link is hovered. Itās precisely the browser-specific UI handling of links that some devs who are creating SPAs (especially those intended for conversion to native mobile app) prefer to use the navigation action instead - i.e. the clickable element wonāt ābehaveā like a link. Sudsy Page provides both options, and the end result - i.e. intra-page navigation without page reload - is of course the same.
Hope it helps,
-Steve
Hi Sudsy! Have a weird bug to report.
In my app (app.swapstack.co), Iām getting an error, but only in some situations related to viewing the page on mobile. Itās a little hard to show you without having an account, so Iāve recorded a loom for you.
Full Error text:
run.js:8 Action Go to URL via SudsyPage A - The plugin Sudsy Page / action Go to URL via a Sudsy Page threw the following error: TypeError: e.data.navTo is not a function
at eval (PLUGIN_1551900316693x963780318009229300/Sudsy-Page-element_action--Sudsy-Page-Go-to-URL-via-.js:3:8)
at https://dhtiece9044ep.cloudfront.net/package/run_js/6d23fc2ā¦/xfalse/x15/run.js:8:1207345 (please report this to the plugin author)
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action: t.exports {json: e, A: {ā¦}, _field_names: {ā¦}, get_static_property_run_cache_1_param: Ę}
code: "1650669966195x702439546317152400"
element_instance: null
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Hi @jacob.b.singer,
Check to make sure the SudsyPage element is not inside a reusable or other container that gets hidden. The page root is generally the best place for it. Attempting to use a plugin action when the plugin (or the container in which it resides) is hidden is the only situation in which Iāve seen a similar error. Although the SudsyPage element is āheadlessā, it must be āvisibleā in order to use its actions.
-Steve